I went to hear Ayaan Hirsi Ali at Harvard’s Center for Government and International Studies last week. Very anti-climactic since the politically correct machinery had managed to smother the real import. Indeed an uninformed person, like the Harvard student sitting next to me who came just to see if there was something important that Ali had to say that might occasion some serious rethinking, could walk away from the event without a clue as to what the real problems were or even where the disagreements lay. But much was going on was under the surface. So the following presentation of the event is peppered with an additional analysis (in italics) of what did not get made explicit.
Apparently she lived up to her reputation for brilliance and courage earlier in the day at Harvard’s JFK School of Government. For accounts her more outspoken presentation and the largely hostile and condescending questions of America’s “best and brightest,” see Miss Kelly who was there for the second half, LFG reader Brigitte and Michelle Malkin reader Michael S.
Ali joined four other people on her panel and the moderator at a long table. Instead of standing and speaking, she sat. Her “talk” was largely answers to five (rather uninspired) questions that she had been asked beforehand.
1. Is immigration really a problem in Europe?
2. Is the Netherlands an open society?
3. Who are the true victims?
4. Which solutions have been tried?
5. And how have they worked?
Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Her responses were very measured, almost bland.
1. Is immigration really a problem in Europe?
She pointed out that Europe had become, for the first time in its existence, an “immigration continent.” In the past Europeans had emigrated (to colonies like the Americas and Australia), but that in the last few decades the situation had reversed dramatically. Europe these days is taking in about 1.3 million immigrants a year, of which the serious majority (about 800,000) are Muslim. And this is only the legal immigrants. Illegal immigration, by its very nature, unknowable, unquantifiable, may double these figures. Moreover, these immigrants fill the “lower statistics” of the countries they come to: poverty, crime, drop-outs from school, juvenile delinquency, etc. In particular Muslim immigration is proving a problem for welfare states (the proud product of “moral Europe”) on which the Muslim immigrants depend (I’d say prey) heavily.
Many migrants do well, even Muslims. But among those who don’t do well the Muslim population is prominent. Muslims in turn complain that they have become increasingly stigmatized (especially since 9-11). Indeed, they argue, “why should we assimilate? We do not want to participate in Dutch society. Not only is it corrupt with modern sins, but it’s hypocritical. They claim to be an open society, but they stigmatize us.”
Ali then went on to question accusations of stigmatization. The most reliable evidence for stigmatization she argued was economic, the job market. Here she pointed to the exceptional efforts of the Dutch state to integrate the Muslim immigrant population into the economy. Between 1979-2000 they spent 16 billion Euro (not sure where such a statistic comes from, especially since the Euro didn’t exist before 2000, but okay). Given these exceptional efforts, Ali argued, the claim of “stigmatization” is unfair. (This Muslim complaint is what I’d call a demopathic argument, since if anything it’s the Muslims who have stigmatized the Dutch as unbelievers. On the other hand, there is a case to be made that whatever the Dutch government has done, the Dutch people have not shown a lot of interest in socializing with their Muslims immigrants. But I’m sure there are many cases where this is not true.)
The problem, Ali pointed out, is that there’s no way of knowing what happened to this money. In fact there’s no evidence that this money had any positive effect. (Same thing with the money the Europeans threw down the Palestinian money-pit. It has to do with culture of poverty, and is the reason why “Marshall Plans” for the Palestinians don’t work.) Indeed, the evidence suggests that those who benefited most from this state largesse did not integrate, and those who integrate do so because of contact with the Dutch, not state programs. (This brings us back to the problem stigmatization judged by state or individual behavior.) Overall, Ali argued, the 16 billion Euros hindered rather than helped integration.
2. Is Holland an open Society?
Yes. The state does not unnecessarily curtail individual freedoms and in fact takes an active role in trying to help its citizens. Holland’s problems come not from its not being open, but from its being too open. Indeed, its greatest problem comes from its excessive tolerance of crime. It doesn’t enforce the laws that are on the books. This started with “soft” drugs, but now includes either no prosecution or very light sentences for petty thefts, even for break-ins. And what “worked” for the Dutch in the later 20th century, is proving an invitation to crime across the boards for the immigrant population. (In other words, Dutch society is so open its brains are falling out.)
The question we need to ask, however, (and should have been asked by the organizers, who carefully left Islam out of the list of questions), is: Is Islam compatiable with open society? To this Ali answered yes and no. The behavior of many Muslim immigrants – petty crime, dropping out of school, welfare, criminal activities – are not caused by Islam, which is opposed to such behavior. But political Islam is definitely not compatible, and political Islam is perfectly capable of indoctrinating petty thieves into thinking that plundering Europeans is a form of Jizya (tax on unbelievers) that they can take in good conscience as Muslims. Here, she argued, was a dogmatic source of self-segregation. One that took the natural tendency of a foreign culture to stay apart from the host country’s culture and turn it into a principle. This, she insisted, was not in itself inherent in Islam, but for many Muslims it appealed to a primitive mindset. And the distinctive dress, from the burkas to the beards, was a way of advertising the separation: “look at me, this is my religion.”
The Dutch reaction to these immigrants has been a combination of indulgence, indifference and incomprehension. We ignore you, we leave you alone to do what you want, and when you complain we say, “let’s talk.” But if the other side doesn’t want to talk, Ali commented, the talks lead nowhere. And when the talking stops, the violence starts. So the Dutch keep saying, “let’s talk some more.”