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I have now seen several photographs of the scene with the man I thought was getting up. His position is more or less the same in them all, suggesting rigor mortis.

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I apologize to my readers and to the Washington Post (if the photo editor did check before running the picture) for jumping to a hasty conclusion about this picture.

The evidence for and analysis of extensive staging at Qana, in particular the effort to get the most photogenic pictures of dead bodies and agonized ambulance workers is to be found here (hat tip Robert Schwartz). We also found extensive evidence of directors in Pallywood.

I thought there were no men killed at Qana. This sure looks like a man as do several others.

No doubt this is a tragedy. It’s the meaning of the tragedy we need to plumb… so that such tragedies do not repeat. The danger of misunderstanding is that many more will happen.

24 Responses to Post on Washington Post Removed

  1. igout says:

    No apologies required. The little boy who cried ‘wolf!’ was right… one time.

  2. RL says:

    thanks, but i do think it’s impt to admit error as soon as it’s clear. if the msm did this, we’d be in MUCH better shape.

  3. Cynic says:

    … admit error as soon as it’s clear. if the msm did this, …

    They cannot cause it’s part of their agenda.
    Trying to be fair and balanced with the MSM, especially as far as it concerns Israel, is too PC.

  4. patrick bateman says:

    Would a body only killed hours prior display rigor mortis to that extent?

  5. Greg says:

    Since the pictures were taken within hours after the alleged incident, the Rigor mortis clearly proves forgery, i.e. people were dead long (days) before the Qana’s media showcase.

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  7. Paul in Iowa says:

    This will happen quite a bit more, but it is because the MSM has been exposed as being entirely UNtrustworthy. I should expect some traps to be set for you and your fellow bloggers, to jump to similar conclusions.
    At least OUR side apologizes and corrects when we eff up.

  8. Robert Schwartz says:

    James Taranto featured the story today. He had your original take.

    #4 & #5 above. AFAIK, it would take a while for rigor mortis to set in like that (or a body to be come sufficiently frozen, if kept under refrigeration), but that would show staging, not forgery.

  9. plainslow says:

    igout is right on. They’ve cryed wolf enough that I only look for them to lie.

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  11. All is not lost. In the sixth photo is a body with his left knee raised. As an EMT for over 10 years, that is a most unusual position for a dead person. In six, as well, the raised hand is in a different position than it is in the later pic.

  12. Hank Seiter says:

    What is important about the Qana incident was we were originally told it was women and children and not men. I’m seeing quite a few men, some of whom look like they were wearing camouflage pants. But with Hezbollah dressing as civilians to blend in (against Geneva Protocols for the conduct of war I might add), virtually any Lebanese/Palis man found dead could be claimed to be a “civilian”. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that the women and children were the families of Hezbollah fighters who were firing rockets in the area, thus creating a situation where the IDF sent counter-fire and thus this result. Blame Hezbollah for its battle doctrine designed to put civilians in harm’s way and to use them as human shields were convenient.

  13. Em says:

    I think you should be properly ashamed of yourself. Your so called “admission of error” is so miniscule compared to the callous accusations that precede it that other websites have been linking to your page in order to support the self-same prejudices that lead you to jump to conclusions. Your website is linked to here: http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005685.htm

    What about all the other people who are obviously dead there? Does anyone care about them? What about those who never get photographed? Lost in all the politics and vitriol – you people sit around comfortably analyzing photos oblivious to the real suffering in them, in search of anything to support your comfy world view. Sickening. Never mind all these dead people, never mind they were living people like you and I, never mind they have people who love them too, never mind all that. Oh look that guy is getting up! Oops my mistake, I guess he is dead. But never mind all that other stuff none the less.

  14. RL says:

    Response to Em:

    I think you should be properly ashamed of yourself. Your so called “admission of error” is so miniscule compared to the callous accusations that precede it that other websites have been linking to your page in order to support the self-same prejudices that lead you to jump to conclusions. Your website is linked to here: http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005685.htm

    What about all the other people who are obviously dead there? Does anyone care about them?

    do you think that the “ambulance workers” who paraded their bodies for the camera care about them?

    What about those who never get photographed? Lost in all the politics and vitriol – you people sit around comfortably analyzing photos oblivious to the real suffering in them, in search of anything to support your comfy world view. Sickening. Never mind all these dead people, never mind they were living people like you and I, never mind they have people who love them too, never mind all that. Oh look that guy is getting up! Oops my mistake, I guess he is dead. But never mind all that other stuff none the less.

    i’m impressed with you humane concerns. i just don’t understand how you can be so indignant with me for making an honest error — i presume you’ve been to visit pallywood and al durah and seen what contempt for your values the people who stage-manage these photo-ops display. does it bother you that your best instincts are being manipulated by people who despise and exploit your feelings?

  15. The AP Now Busted for Fake Photos/Terrorist PropagandaBlood in the water

    Well, looks like another one bites the dust! Notice the boy sitting up 2/3′s of the way back? Here’s one that blown up. And people wonder why the Right trust nothing from the Drive By Media… UPDATE: Opinion Journal links…

  16. Ted says:

    I’m sorry but I find this disgusting. Hundreds of innocent civilians are dead and you’re spending your time calling out people for making the photos look more ‘photogenic’. Sorry, but you can’t make dead children any worse then they are. You are a sick individual, or in deep denial.

  17. ajacksonian says:

    For too long we have had to give trust to MSM outlets as they held abilities that were not available to the general public in the way of photography and other media distriubtion capabilities. That has changed and is continuing to change rapidly and all outlets of factual event coverage need to adapt to this new landscape to establish trust, not assume it. Further, with faked photographs, staged events, and reporters having to give up liberty in war zones via loss of passports, they are being coerced, either willingly or unwillingly, into being propagandists, that are not being held accountable for their slanted reporting. This is an immediate problem that needs remedy, as this is something known as *fiction* being passed off as *reality* into historical event coverage.

    For decades we have heard about getting ‘the story’. But events are *not* a story, they are part of a series of events in which multiple stories are taking place. By trying to put an event into a ‘storyline’, the reporter is prejudiced to report only things that fit within the storyline and not those that do not. All that is *news* is not amenable to becoming *stories*. And *stories* by being analysis of multiple news events, are not necessarily *news*. Imagery, in particular, because it has spatial, geographic and time based context can be juxtaposed with other images and give a timeline of events beyond mere reporting of a *story*. Indeed the focus of an image is surrounded by other things and one can tell by shadow angle, building placement, and even such mundanities as trash when events happen in relationship to each other, thus allowing the images to give a timeline of events that are separate from any reported *story*. This is what we are witnessing now: images are telling a different story than what the reporters are telling. And by doctoring images, prime historical documents are being tampered with to slant events to meet purely political or ideological needs.

    I mourn the deaths that happen in warfare, but they are necessary in this world where Nation States hold the keys to individual liberty and different States hold differing views on that liberty and the concerns of their own populations.

    I find absolutely abhorrent the contamination of the historical record with *fiction*, no matter how ‘truthful’ it is.

  18. RL says:

    response to ted:

    i think you might consider being a bit less indignant. what’s going on here at qana may not be just messing with photos to make them a bit more photogenic.

    certainly in the larger picture, we have cases where it looks like jihadis have killed their own people precisely in order to get people like upset (the gaza beach looks like at best gross negligence).

    the speed with which you a) jump on people who question these photos which often desecrate the very dead you mourn, and b) excuse the people who manipulate you and their dead, plays right into the hands of the people most responsible for the civilian carnage.

    remember, the folks who brought you this event were also lobbing shells into nazereth and when it killed three arab boys, proceeded to declare them martyrs. are you sure you want to let these people yank your heart-strings?

  19. C.A. Fulghum says:

    Why don’t those who like taking these kind of pictures go to Israel and take pictures of civilians who are routinely murdered and maimed on purpose??? How about a picture of the 18 year old innocent school boy (Eliyahu Asheri) who was kidnapped, tortured, and shot in the head? The Israelis go out of their way to not kill innocent people. The Hezbo Hyenas, Hamas, and the PLO go out of their way to kill innocent people. The so-called world can’t seem to make the distinction.

  20. Robert Schwartz says:

    James Taranto admits error in today’s posting:

    Yesterday we argued that an Associated Press photo appeared to show a live person in Qana, Lebanon, masquerading as a dead one. We are now convinced we were wrong.

    He also addressed the rigor mortis issue:

    The third photo on the right (“3R”) shows some of the bodies before they are covered in sheets (or perhaps after they are uncovered). The rightmost body has its arm extended, which would explain the protrusion beneath the sheets in photos 1L and 1R, as well as 2L, 2R and 4R. Photo 5L appears to show the same arm, uncovered, at closer range.

    When readers raised the possibility of rigor mortis, we initially wondered how it could have set in only in this body among at least half a dozen, all of whom presumably died at roughly the same time. But the photos show that at least one other body–the rightmost one in photo 3R–also is in rigor mortis. That body’s elbow is bent so that its forearm is raised–and a corresponding protrusion is visible under the sheets in photos 1L, 1R, 2L and 2R.

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    I think that rigor mortis points towards staging.

    About Rigor mortis:

    Rigor mortis can be used to help estimate time of death. The onset of rigor mortis may range from 10 minutes to several hours, depending on factors including temperature (rapid cooling of a body can inhibit rigor mortis, but it occurs upon thawing). Maximum stiffness is reached around 12-24 hours post mortem. Facial muscles are affected first, with the rigor then spreading to other parts of the body. The joints are stiff for 1-3 days, but after this time general tissue decay and leaking of lysosomal intracellular digestive enzymes will cause the muscles to relax.

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    The guy who is sitting up had been dead for at least a day, unless he had been frozen. The raid supposedly occurred less than 12 hours before.

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  22. BO says:

    Response to Robert Schwarz:

    > The guy who is sitting up had been dead for at least a day, unless he
    > had been frozen. The raid supposedly occurred less than 12 hours before.

    Looking at the angle of the sun (ranging from 45° to 60° away from the zenith) one can conclude that the pictures were taken either in a range from 0830h to 1000h or 1400h to 1530h Quana time.
    Now assuming that they did first collect the dead, line them up and then cover them we see a 45° angle in 3L and 4L compared to 60° in 2L and 2R. This would indicate the sun is going down and it’s already afternoon. So, time the pictures were taken is 1400h to 1530h local time.

    The raid happened at 1am, so 13 hours before the pictures were taken. Considering the rather hot temperatures in that part of the world at that time of year we can assume that rigor morits is accelerated and it is at least possible that maximum stiffness was reached at that time.

    So, how would that point to staging? If you really wanted to imply something it should be the obvious exhibiting and leaving the bodies long enough so press can arrive.

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  24. mike says:

    last i heard was rigor had set in because they were shipping in dead bodies from previous photo ops.
    notice how some bodies are in full rigor, while others are not (some possibly already out of rigor or not yet in).
    they just transfer dead bodies around, which is why they don’t allow real press around the actual scene, provide footage from a local camera guy, and why bodies can be pulled from rubble with no concrete dust on them, and baby toys look brand new

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