Response to Pallywood from a Visitor to Second Draft

I received the following comment at The Second Draft, apparently in response to the movie Pallywood.

First let me say I am British citizen and take no sides in the middle east conflict. That said, I’m pretty shocked by your stance that the oppression of Palestinians in the occupied territories is somehow a media fabrication. Have you or any of your correspondents actually been there? I have and I will never forget what i saw there with my own eyes. The Israeli brutality, the oppression, the abuses- IT IS ALL REAL. Of course Palestinians of all factions are press savvy and try to get the best angle for them from the international media- they would be stupid not to. The Iraelis engage in the same game and the media are not always careful enough about the accuracy of their sources but to claim as you seem to that the humanitarian catastophy in the region is a Palestinian set-up is appaling. Support Israel if you want, but don’t pretend they are somehow misunderstood heroes crypto-victims of some fantasy Palestinian media conspiracy. People feel sorry for the Palestinians because Israel deliberatley makes their lives, homes and futures a misery. Sorry, but thats a fact.

I post it here with interlinear comments. Mark in bold.

First let me say I am British citizen and take no sides in the Middle East conflict.

Given your subsequent remarks, I find this hard to believe. But I guess it’s a pro forma remark that people feel they have to make in order to get people to take them seriously. I think making it as a preliminary to your subsequent remarks undermines your credibility… but I’ll take you seriously.

That said, I’m pretty shocked by your stance that the oppression of Palestinians in the occupied territories is somehow a media fabrication.

I don’t know where you get that. I never said anything of the sort. The point of Pallywood is that the Palestinians invent/stage footage of Israeli violence in order to provoke a) hatred among their own people and b) moral indignation among people in the West. That Israelis do damage to Palestinians no one denies. That it is as pervasive, as wanton, as unprovoked as Pallywood footage would have us believe is another thing. So the point of my argument in Pallywood is not to claim that all footage, or even all claims of Israeli violence are false, but rather to alert the viewer to be skeptical of such claims in the knowledge that if he is fooled by them, his moral indignation actually fuels the very violence he thinks he is denouncing.

Have you or any of your correspondents actually been there? I have and I will never forget what i saw there with my own eyes. The Israeli brutality, the oppression, the abuses- IT IS ALL REAL.

At the risk of inviting you to give a litany of complaints, can you give us an idea of a) with whom you were traveling, b) when, c) what you saw, and d) did you visit Israel and some of the victims of suicide bombings. My guess is that, as bad as it struck you, it is nothing compared to the violence of suicide terrorism, which has a great deal to do with the oppressiveness of the “occupation.” But rather than anticipate, please give me an idea of just what is so REAL.

Of course Palestinians of all factions are press savvy and try to get the best angle for them from the international media- they would be stupid not to.

I think it goes well beyond being “press savvy.” They intimidate and control foreign media to an extent that, I would presume, you would be in strong opposition to, if you were aware of it.

The Israelis engage in the same game

This is what i call “moral equivalence” or “leveling the playing field.” I challenge you to come up with even one example of Israeli staging of events that compares with the quotidian behavior of the Palestinian “street” and their cameramen and journalists. There’s nothing like it that I know of. On the contrary, my experience of Israeli journalists is that they are exceptionally scrupulous about stuff to do with the Palestinians. The only case of something remotely resembling Pallywood that I’ve heard of from Israeli journalists was staged to indict “right-wing” settlers. Did you visit Israel on your trip to Palestine?

and the media are not always careful enough about the accuracy of their sources but to claim as you seem to that the humanitarian catastrophe in the region is a Palestinian set-up is appalling.

I fully acknowledge that the regional catastrophe is real. I just don’t think that the main source of it is Israeli brutality, oppression and abuses, as you imply. My “root cause” is a Palestinian and Arab leadership who inflict suffering on their own people and then convince gullible well-intentioned people like you to blame the Israelis for that suffering. Far from denying Palestinian suffering I think that it is particularly cruel because it is inflicted by their own leaders, and although I don’t agree, I understand Palestinians having great difficulty acknowledging that betrayal. I expect more from impartial outsiders such as yourself, however.

Support Israel if you want, but don’t pretend they are somehow misunderstood heroes crypto-victims of some fantasy Palestinian media conspiracy. People feel sorry for the Palestinians because Israel deliberately makes their lives, homes and futures a misery. Sorry, but that’s a fact.

That’s not a fact, it’s a perception. Deliberately is a pretty heavy term to use. It’s attribution of motive which I challenge you to support with hard evidence. People feel sorry for the Palestinians because their leadership, who deliberately inflict suffering on them — the “refugee camps” from which they cannot escape, the 3 No’s of Khartoum which left them in captivity — manage to convince gullible outsiders like yourself to blame Israel, thereby ratifying their strategy of making their people suffer, and prolonging the suffering of the very people you think you support.

Neither your position nor mine are facts. They’re interpretations. And what I ask of you is that you have the modesty to imagine, if only as a mental exercise, the possibility that you’re wrong. What’s more important to you — blaming the Israelis or putting an end to Palestinian suffering? It may be a choice you have to make.

I welcome your responses.

6 Responses to Response to Pallywood from a Visitor to Second Draft

  1. Rivka says:

    Thank G-d for your clarity and verbal ability.

    You cut through inaccuracies so clearly and shine light into the worst obfuscations and distortions.

    Best to you always

  2. OLIVE GROVE BOOKS says:

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    Because the region of Palestine and the repercussions it holds for peace in the Middle East between the PLO and Israel are critically important, the issues discussed via this spy-thriller makes it interesting and informative so that people all over the world can understand exactly how both sides think and how that thinking has led to continual violence in the Middle East.

    If these issues had been understood and discussed 18 years ago, perhaps two wars in the Persian Gulf, the Sept. 11th catastrophe and this new Beirut War would not have happened.

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    Robert Spirko, author
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    MENTOR, Ohio – THE PALESTINE CONSPIRACY, a genre spy-thriller by Robert Spirko, was fourth on the September best-seller list at Atlasbooks, Inc., a national book distributor.
    “It is time for the Israelis and Palestinians to return to the Camp David Peace Talks, resume where they left off and “freeze in place” the already-agreed-upon negotiating points,” Spirko says.
    “The Iraq Study Group should make this recommendation a top priority before trying to put-in-place a new strategy for Iraq – mainly because ramifications of a peace agreement between both sides will resonate deeply throughout the Muslim world in the way Jews and Muslims interact toward each other. It could have a profound ripple effect including how the United States is perceived by Islamists.” he emphasizes.
    “I have communicated that first step to the James Baker III and Lee Hamilton study group. It is important that both sides in the Middle East region are willing to come to their senses,” Spirko reiterates.
    He uses the following analogy for peace. “The Camp David accords have precedent and continuity through previous agreements. It’s like a marriage where both spouses in an argument storm away mad. They don’t divorce and then try to resume their relationship; rather, they come back together, settle their differences, and resume the marriage where they left off. It must be the same for the Middle East Peace talks.”
    Spirko’s book predicted terrorism against the United States & Israel in his book which takes place in Lebanon. It is eerily similar to the Beirut War which took place last summer between Hezbollah and Israel.
    Spirko says if these issues had been understood and discussed 18 years ago, perhaps two wars in the Persian Gulf, the Sept. 11th catastrophe and the new Beirut War would not have happened.
    “That aside,” he says, “It is never too late for peace.”

    MEDINA, Ohio – When it comes to spy novels and Middle East intrigue, after 16 spell-binding years, the gripping story behind the Middle East quagmire – its issues of nuclear weapons and the quest for a Palestinian State – is finally being told in a ground-breaking new book entitled, THE PALESTINE CONSPIRACY.

    Author Robert Spirko created the work in such a way that every reader in the world will understand all the intricate issues in the Middle East and how close the region actually came to the brink of nuclear Armageddon.

    Mr. Spirko has a unique way of holding the reader in his grasp as the plot of THE PALESTINE CONSPIRACY unfolds. He literally takes you from your armchair and immerses you into the lifestyle of the Bedouin, the Israeli, the PLO and the mindset of the Middle-Easterner.

    THE PALESTINE CONSPIRACY is not just another spy-novel; it is the quintessential spy-thriller because it forces the reader to understand how both sides “think” and why that thinking ultimately led to repeated wars in the Middle East.

    Spirko, a financial and geo-political analyst, turned his attention to the Middle East in 1987, after discovering several common elements related to the Middle East question. In working for peace, and after several frustrating years, he put down his analysis in writing and when he was finished, he not only had a solution to the quagmire, he had a story to tell.

    But, nobody was listening.

    Today, all that has changed, thanks to Olive Grove Publishers who decided to give his book a chance.

    When the Palestinian question came to a festering crisis in 1990, he had already predicted several of the actual events before they occurred. For instance, Spirko predicted the Intifada and Persian Gulf War, missing the actual invasion date of Kuwait by only one week. He did this through spectacular supposition, analysis and prediction based on what he was “seeing” in the region.

    When Spirko typed his manuscript, he set the work to fiction, about what he thought might occur soon in the Middle East involving weapons of mass destruction, nuclear proliferation, the Palestinian uprising before it occurred, and how the Palestinian question begged to be answered, little did he realize that every event he described in the book would eventually transpire.

    His story of what was really happening behind the scenes in the Middle East is truly astounding and remarkable, and his contribution to the Camp David Peace Talks in 2000, formulated a solution to the Jerusalem question. When the BBC got wind of it, they termed it “as nothing short of brilliant” – Jerusalem becoming the simultaneous capitals of both Israel and Palestine in congruous or concentric zones.

    Spirko originally copyrighted his book on October 20, 1987, in the U. S.
    Library of Congress where intelligence agencies reviewed his work.

    Today, finally, somebody is listening.

    Spirko feels that both sides must return to the Camp David Peace Talks and resume where they left off and “freeze in place” the already-agreed-upon negotiating points.

    “It’s like a marriage where both spouses storm away mad in an argument.
    They don’t divorce and then try to resume their relationship, they come back together, settle their differences, and resume their marriage. It must be the same for the Middle East Peace talks,” Spirko says.

    The story begins in Beirut, Lebanon, once a great financial capital of the Middle East, which lay in ruin, having been systematically blasted to rubble during 20 years of inexhaustible civil war and siege by Israel, the PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah and Lebanese factions. Soon, the quest for a Palestinian State would be framed by these events; namely, the invasion of Kuwait by a neighboring rogue state, Iraq, with Saddam Hussein’s goal of seeking nuclear parity with Israel.

    In Mr. Spirko’s story, Rick Waite, a forgotten UPI correspondent, and Adrienne Waters, a Pulitzer Prize journalist from the London Times, meet-up in Beirut with a PLO operative named Ahmed, who discovers a secret intelligence memo about a secret plan to destroy Israel.

    In the ensuing chase to find the answer to this secret communiqué and what it means, a deadly race against time begins as the unlikely trio tries to halt the launch of a secret weapon from a hidden PLO base camp in the Syrian Desert. U. S. and British intelligence operatives have their own agenda, and attempt to stop whatever is going on to save the entire region from a nuclear holocaust.

    Spirko weaves a tale of chilling duplicity and thrilling action, as the characters evade and devise a method to announce the discovery of nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles to the rest of the world – all while United Nations’ delegates bicker endlessly.

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    Spirko, whose own background includes a stint in the U. S. Air Force and has given his advice to the National Security Council in Washington, D. C., has a degree in journalism and knows first-hand about the newsroom and what it takes to be an intelligence field agent. His knowledge of the trade makes the story real, daunting, and strikingly similar to “The Year of Living Dangerously.”

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    WARREN, Ohio – When both sides walked away from the peace table at Camp David in 2000, Robert Spirko, author of THE PALESTINE CONSPIRACY warned negotiators Ehud Barak of Israel and Chairman Yasser Arafat that they would descend into the abyss of hell.

    “And, they did,” Spirko says, “and, so have we.” Spirko is a native of Warren and a former Tribune staff writer.

    That warning came after both sides had already agreed upon Jerusalem as the simultaneous capital of both Israel and Palestine, according to Spirko.

    “When both parties agreed on Jerusalem, an issue they both said they could never agree on, then left the peace table over reparations and the right of return, 8,000 lives were lost in the ensuing four years, including America’s 9/11 catastrophe,” Spirko reveals. “Chairman Arafat should have taken the deal. He had 90% of what he wanted. The Israelis offered to build upon that later if Arafat would stop the suicide bombers.
    Chairman Arafat would take the same deal today if it was offered, but it may be too late.”

    He explains, “The failed talks were a catastrophe for both the Middle East, and the United States, and the only way out is to resurrect the peace talks at Camp David, freeze the already agreed upon points, and resume where both parties left off.”

    Spirko has given his advice to the National Security Council in Washington, D. C. over the years, and is a 1965 graduate of the Kent State University School of Journalism. He studied for his MBA at Kent State University and currently analyzes geo-political trends as an investment advisor.

    He wrote the book as a spy-thriller detailing what and how the quest for a Palestinian State turned into an ongoing disaster predicting Iraq and Iran would seek to develop weapons of mass destruction. The yet-to-be-resolved “right of return” and reparations were ignored by both sides at the 2000 Camp David Peace Talks. Those issues could have been negotiated later. Ideas presented by Mr. Spirko at those peace talks included letting both sides have the right to name Jerusalem as each nation’s capital, an idea that the BBC in Great Britain termed as “brilliant.”.

    “The idea was to create simultaneous capitals for both countries-Palestine and Israel-with Jerusalem as the capital of each using congruous zones and a neutral governing district involving representatives from both sides with God as the central sovereign because they both believe in the same God, whether He is called Allah or Jehovah,” Spirko reiterates.

    “As we speak, Israel’s Ariel Sharon lies in a coma and Yasser Arafat is dead. Israel agreed to a withdrawal from Israeli settlements in Gaza, and a partial withdrawal in the West Bank. That could have been achieved six years ago at Camp David. Now, Hezbollah and Hamas have thrown a monkey-wrench into the scenario which could lead the United States and the world into World War III.”

    Spirko’s book takes place in Beirut, Lebanon. It details what he thought would occur in the Middle East before the actual events; namely, the Persian Gulf War, the Iraq War, the Intifada, and other events leading up to Sept. 11. His analysis, written as a novel in 1987 and copyrighted in the U.S. Library of Congress that year, warned that the Middle East was heading toward nuclear Armageddon if a rogue Arab state, Iraq or Iran, obtained nuclear weapons. For 17 years publishers refused to publish the book because they told Mr. Spirko that the events he described in his book “couldn’t possibly happen.”

    MEDINA, Ohio – “The Middle East is heading toward a new World War if Syria and Iran continue to aid and abet terrorism and try to develop nuclear weapons to threaten both Israel and the United States,” says Robert Spirko, author of THE PALESTINE CONSPIRACY, a book which predicted both wars in the region.

    He says both Iran and Syria are treading on dangerous ground in their quest to continue the war in Palestine and in attempting to enrich uranium for use in an atomic bomb.
    Spirko, a financial and geo-political analyst, turned his attention to the Middle East in 1987, after discovering several common elements related to the Middle East question. He wrote down his analysis, and when he was finished, he not only had a solution to the quagmire, he had a story to tell.

    THE PALESTINE CONSPIRACY predicted many of the events that occurred three years later, even the firing of missiles which hit Israel.

    “The United States, Great Britain, France, Russia, and China will never allow them to obtain enough nuclear technology to construct weapons of mass destruction,” says Spirko.

    Spirko, whose book foreshadowed the Persian Gulf War by three years, and the resultant Iraq War following the Sept. 11 attack, warned the consequences would be catastrophic for those Muslim nations who insist on continuing down that nuclear path.

    “The chief threat in the region I see right now is the threat to Saudi Arabia by Al Quaida. If Al Quaida were to overthrow the present royal family in Saudi Arabia, cutting off the oil supply to the western nations including Japan and China, it would bring down entire world economies.
    France and Germany would be begging us to go to war to retake those oil wells. It would be World War III,” he emphasizes.

    If such a scenario were to occur, France and the European economies could collapse in a matter of weeks.

    “And, it’s all related to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict which I said back in 1987 that is the crux of my book. It always has been, and always will be until it’s settled. That linkage is exactly what Osama Bin Laden stated in a taped message aired the weekend before the election in November. Whether you believe him or not is beside the point. That’s what’s he told us, and we’d better take that into account.”

    “We are again on the threshold of peace in the Middle East. But, we’re also on the threshold of World War III. We better get it right this time, ” Spirko emphasizes.

  3. Phil says:

    “Spirko, who… has given his advice to the National Security Council in Washington, D. C.”

    What was their response to the advice?

  4. Eliyahu says:

    I am glad that Mr Spirko has finally found the answer to all Middle Eastern problems. It’s all so simple. How come no one ever thought of his solution before? Back to Camp David! How original!
    And we’re supposed to believe that Jim Baker, a former White House advisor, is a 100% sincere guy with the interests of peace everpresent and uppermost in his mind.

    As to your British correspondent, he obviously does take sides. But why must he insult our intelligence at Augean Stables by starting out with a claim that he is neutral? Then, his allegations of Israeli wrongdoing are long on vituperation and short on specifics. By the way, I have been in Judea-Samaria many times. Indeed, I have been in Nablus [Sh'khem], Bethlehem, Hebron, etc. At best, this Britisher is very one-sided. Furthermore, I’ve noticed that the European country where hatred for Israel seems bitterest is the UK. There was even a survey of public opinion published in June 2006 about the depth of British hostility. I did not get such a feeling about Italy or France where I have visited in the last few years.

  5. Abu Nudnik says:

    I like the juxtaposition of the “I… British… take no sides” and “THIS IS ALL REAL” in screaming capitals. (If he were REALLY British, wouldn’t he take BOTH sides?)

    Can’t we just erase the advertisements, RL?

  6. RL says:

    to abu n.:

    i appreciate your sharp eye for tone.

    and no we can’t erase the advertisements. i think it’s important for people to have their say and get a serious response. my guess is that 9/10 of the people who side with the palestinians have not thought through their position, but taken their cue from an intellectual mafia that tells them what to think. as someone remarked to me in a conversation today, mortgaged their own moral thought to an elite who tell them what’s “right.”

    i’m really interested in mark’s response… if i ever get it.

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