Maurice Ostroff Chronicles the Impact of Pallywood on Hyper-Self-Critical Jews

I have discussed at some length the impact of Pallywood and its epigones — the systematic presentation of news manipulated to blame Israel for Palestinian suffering — on international outrage against Israel. This is true of non-Jews like Jostein Gaarder, but even more so of Jews who, driven to paroxysms of self-loathing by reports from the Middle East which humiliate them with images of Jews as oppressors, beat their breast in public in order to purify their souls.

Recently a group of 12 South African Jews, without any independent investigation (or even consultation of Israel’s response), have responded to the already notorious UN Human Rights Council report on Israeli “apartheid” to express their profound disapproval of Israeli crimes against humanity.

Maurice Ostroff has both the text of their statement and his response.

Without questioning Professor Dugard’s sincerity, his sources are open to question. It is a pity he didn’t consult the like of journalist Khaled Abu Toameh, who has an intimate knowledge of the Palestinian terrain. An award-winning journalist and television news producer, he has reported from the West Bank and Gaza Strip for more than twenty years. An insider with an intimate knowledge of the Palestinians, at one time he worked as editor of the PLO’s newspaper Al Fajr.

Toameh told the Middle East Forum in Philadelphia on April 27, 2004 that the world receives an inaccurate picture of what happens in the Palestinian region. The PA’s tyrannical approach and control of the media creates an atmosphere of intimidation and fear among Palestinian journalists and foreign journalists allow themselves to be misled by some of their Palestinian consultants.

Toameh is certainly in a better position to assess the actual situation than short-term visitors who can’t speak Arabic and depend on Palestinians as guides and translators. He relates that when foreigners interview Palestinians through translators, the translators often mistranslate and even reprimand interviewees critical of the Palestinian Authority.

There is another very disturbing aspect to Dugard’s report. His unbalanced mandate as special rapporteur on Palestine, is limited to investigating only violations by Israel, not by Palestinians. He has been faithful to this mandate, presenting the case of a prosecutor determined to obtain a conviction while making no pretence of acting as a neutral investigator,

Your mandate is however, unrestricted and natural justice requires that unlike Dugard, you must examine and weigh all available evidence including the Palestinian provocations, which produce Israeli reactions.

*Gaza
The casualties to which you refer, did not occur in a vacuum. They were the tragic result of operations in reaction to attacks by Palestinians.

The closures of crossing points only take place to avoid terror attacks like the one by the female suicide bomber who detonated a bomb at the Erez Crossing killing four Israelis and wounding 10. Hamas and the Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed joint responsibility

I am not aware of Palestinians seeking medical attention in Egypt as referred to by you, but last year some 80,000 Palestinians from the West Bank and 40,000 from Gaza came to Israel for medical treatment. All this despite the risk that occasionally bombs are discovered in ambulances at checkpoints and despite the history of two suicide bombers who arrived in Israel by ambulance and then blew themselves up at a hitchhiking station, killing 21 Israelis, See http://tinyurl.com/28cg8q

The real tragedy is that Palestinian extremists have deliberately prevented a thriving cooperative situation with Israel. See http://tinyurl.com/2nsnmz

Before the uprising, up to 100,000 Palestinians worked in Israel, A successful industrial zone was created at Erez employing about 5,000 workers in some 200 businesses half of which were Palestinian-owned. This was part of a larger Gaza Industrial Estate (GIE), slated to provide up to 50,000 jobs. A joint industrial zone was also planned south of Tulkarm intended to provide jobs for more than 5,000 Palestinians and additional areas were planned for Jenin and the Kerem Shalom area near Rafah in Gaza.

Unfortunately the GIE was forced to close when it became the target of deadly Palestinian attacks.

The self-destructive trend continues. Even as recently as last May, opportunities were lost when Gazan gunmen wantonly destroyed thousands of greenhouses and other projects left behind by the Jewish settlers who had been evacuated; projects that could have provided income for over 4,500 families.

* Bait Hanoun. Your reference to the November 2006 Beit Hanoun incident repeats erroneous information. The BBC, which cannot be accused of favoring Israel, reported the total damage as 18 killed and 40 wounded. Your source exaggerates this to 82 killed and 260 injured adding 279 homes plus other buildings destroyed, though even Palestinian sources reported only six adjacent structures damaged by the explosion.

Lacking in your letter is any reference to the fact that Israeli civilians are being bombarded daily by rockets fired by Palestinians from civilian areas into civilian areas (a double war crime). No international law prevents Israel from responding. In this instance shells aimed by Israeli artillery at a rocket-launching site hit the wrong target due to a malfunction. Human errors and malfunctions do occur, even in the most highly disciplined fields such as space exploration.

The reaction of IDF soldiers was described by Steve Linde in the Jerusalem Post, on November 8, 2006. He wrote: “Can you imagine how terrible the artillery troops who fired the shells at Beit Hanun yesterday must be feeling now? After serving in IDF Artillery, I can only say that this is every gunner’s nightmare scenario: killing innocent men, women and children.”

Linde points out that, in response to Kassam rocket attacks, gunners were ordered to “fire at the source” – which they did, firing a dozen or so shells. He adds that whereas the Kassams are intentionally fired at civilian targets, hoping for maximum casualties and damage, the troops who fired at Beit Hanun were targeting terrorists, not civilians. For the complete article see http://tinyurl.com/yhqzn3

*West Bank and the wall: The wall (most of it is wire, like any other fence) to which you object would not have been erected if it had not become necessary to prevent deadly suicide bombings and other terror. That it has been successful in preventing untold massacres must be balanced against the regrettable, temporary discomfort of some residents.

*Settlements, the Geneva convention and international law: Your claim that 40% of land held by settlements is privately owned Palestinian land, is contradicted by a recent admission by “Peace Now”, the most active opponent and monitor of settlement activity, that it has made serious mistakes. For example in regard to the largest settlement, Ma’ale Adumim, it made a 15,900% percent mistake. Rather than 86.4% claimed as Palestinian land, it now claims just 0.54% of that land as supposedly Palestinian. For more details see http://tinyurl.com/2a84bh

Similarly your claim that settlements are in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention has been contested by eminent jurists like the late Professor Julius Stone one of the twentieth century’s leading authorities on the Law of Nations. See http://tinyurl.com/ypg9hg.

With regard to other claims of illegalities I refer you to http://tinyurl.com/2zvwfz

Read the whole post and follow the links to get a sense of the moral bankruptcy of our “progressive” institutions.

25 Responses to Maurice Ostroff Chronicles the Impact of Pallywood on Hyper-Self-Critical Jews

  1. Eliyahu says:

    It is amazing how some self-styled intellectuals go off the deep end merely on the grounds of fake or distorted media reports, or reports from corrupt entities like the UN. As to the issue of legality of Jewish settlements in Judea-Samaria, see the link below, particularly the article by Howard Grief, Esq.

    http://www.israelwhitepaper.org/

    The Fourth Geneva Convention has been extremely distorted as to the meaning of the clause forbidding the transfer of population into or from an occupied. Judea-Samaria & Gaza were not “occupied” by Israel since they were part of the Jewish National Home juridically set up by the international community at San Remo in 1920, endorsed by the League of Nations in 1922, and later by the Anglo-American convention on “palestine.”
    So we are dealing with two big lies on this issue:
    1– the meaning of Geneva IV regarding “transfer” of population and occupied territories.
    2– Whether Judea-Samaria-Gaza were “occupied” by Israel.
    Also see links:
    http://www.think-israel.org/green.sanremo.html
    http://www.acpr.org.il/english-nativ/issue1/einhorn-1.htm

  2. Eliyahu says:

    correction:
    … into or from an occupied territory…

  3. calzone says:

    It is amazing how some self-styled intellectuals go off the deep end merely on the grounds of fake or distorted media reports, or reports from corrupt entities like all the links provided by Mr. Ostroff.
    Every single source cited is either an extreme rightwing propaganda enterprise such as the Cybercast (formerly conservative) “news” network and/or an Israeli-govt funded and founded pseudo-news org such as Memri which exists only to disseminate wholly fabricated, pro-zionist, perception-management drek.
    The arguments extended by Ostroff are specious and downright shameless in their sheer audacity and presumption of childlike gullibility of his readers.
    So when the IDF, who’s soldiers are so very angst-filled at the possibility of causing civilian casualties, rain bombs and shells down on civilians, that is an accident, whereas if the “gestures of defiance” from the occasional equivalent of a mortar round (Kassams) falls near civilians it’s “deliberate”? Heh. The presumption that a Kassam is launched from a civilian source to a civilian source is a “double war crime”, but regardless of the clear language of the UN and other human rights org’s rules of engagement, if Israel launches a RETALIATORY attack on CIVILIANS that is of course, not a “double war crime”. This “response” to the letter from the 18 is a farce, a shameful exercise in nasty, dishonest mendacity. I can only presume that mr. Ostroff is not a practicing Jew. Unless of course he’s willing to admit to flinty hypocrisy.

  4. RL says:

    to calzone:

    i won’t respond immediately to all your comments, but one did catch my eye:

    Memri which exists only to disseminate wholly fabricated, pro-zionist, perception-management drek

    now i presume you want to be taken seriously, and that you consider it important to sift sources according to reliability. how can you expect us to take you seriously when you dismiss MEMRI in this cavalier manner. do you have any evidence of anything at MEMRI having been “wholly fabricated” — much less all of it? or do you just dismiss out of hand whatever brings up material that’s difficult to handle.

    personally, i prefer to judge material on the basis of the argument and the references, rather than to sweep away whole organizations with allegations for which i have no evidence.

    if i’ve been unfair to you here, please let me know what your evidence for these allegations against MEMRI are. did you figure this out yourself? or did you hear it from someone else?

  5. chevalier de st george says:

    I can’t help being amused by the sobriquet “calzone” a pizza which is closed in on itself and allows nothing to enter from the exterior!
    si scherza su tutto, nessuno si offenda

  6. calzone says:

    Memri came into existence after the Mohammed Al-Durah killing. The boy who became an iconic figure after being caught in a crossfire fight. He was killed by the IDF, his father injured. Yes, I know all the arguments against this, I read it all. Some might say it was an accident, and there’s no proof that it wasn’t, but given precedent and my knowlege of attitudes by the IDF, I don’t believe it was an accident…call me freakin’ cynical.
    He was killed by the IDF. They admitted it, something they’re loath to do under any circumstances but for this incident.
    Memri was created by the Israeli govt.. It’s primary purpose was to diffuse this symbol. Symbols are more powerful than nukes. That girl running from a napalmed village in Vietnam, that young Vietnamese resistance fighter (presumed) getting his head blown off by the S. Viet general, they helped end the war in Vietnam.
    The “reporters” from the small group at Memri went to france and tried to do a hit piece on the french news outfit that filmed the killing. The news agency wised up to what Memri was doing, and the french courts found that Memri lied and impugned the french press, and the press in france all justifiably locked out Memri, completely snubbed them.
    Memri is garbage. It’s still tied to Israeli intelligence. The last time I checked was it’s “reporting” on the July/August war on Lebanon, it was saying there was no damage in Lebanon from the Israeli bombing and the Lebanese all loved Israel because Israel was trying to free them from the dastardly clutches of the mean terrorists hezbollah.
    Before I got to the part where they probably wrote that Lebanese women were giving massages and peeling grapes for the Idf I stopped reading.
    Anybody that takes Memri seriously has…well…had a serious cerebral aneurism. Or they’re paranoid/masochists that need to have enemies to fuel their victim-complex.
    Frankly, I don’t care if you or anyone else “takes me seriously”, I don’t expect to change your mind. But some might be reading this blog who have open minds and are willing to actually entertain the remarkable idea that there is a concerted, organized network of information sharing sites that have an agenda and are so biased that nothing they report other than the date and time can be taken at face value.
    And even the date and time is sometimes manipulated.
    Yeah. Calzone. I read every side, I look at everything, then use my accumulated knowlege of facts and human nature along with precedent and experience to come to a conclusion. (opening here for the counter-attackers-I know pretty much what u’ll post) This isn’t to say that after reading 28 lies from a source that I’ll keep reading them tho’. My previous post stands. Ostroff relies entirely on drek sites, and his conclusions do not emerge from a clear, honest, objective perspective. And that is being very, very polite and charitable.

  7. Maurice Ostroff says:

    To Calzone
    I treat your criticism seriously because I am always careful to ensure that information to which I refer can be substantiated. I would therefore appreciate it if you would please let me know specifically of any incorrect statement you believe I made in my letter so that I can check the facts and make a correction if relevant.

    Your statement that every source I quoted is either right wing propaganda or is funded by the Israeli government puzzles me. May I ask how you apply this description to sources I quoted such as the BBC, CBS News, the late Professor Julius Stone, Palestinian journalist Khaled Abu Toameh and the official Palestinian Media Center.

    The information I provided about lost opportunities such as the cooperative at Erez crossing that employed about 5,000 workers in some 200 businesses half of which were Palestinian-owned and were forced to close because of deadly Palestinian attacks is verified in a World Bank/USAID document “Stagnation or revival’

    You reference to occasional Kassams falling near civilians is unfortunately an understatement. The fact is that these deadly rockets are fired almost daily.

    With regard to MEMRI, may I ask whether you are not perturbed by the indoctrination of infants as shown in the video clip to which I referred and suggest that this is a case of shooting the messenger. MEMRI provides translations of Arabic, Persian, and Turkish media. If you are suggesting that these are inaccurate, I believe you owe a duty to your readers to be specific. I have not seen any denials of their accuracy by the PA nor anyone else.

    I look forward to your considered response.

    Maurice Ostroff

  8. RL says:

    to calzone on MEMRI

    i think you may be mistaking MEMRI for MENA… maybe. or just a hodge-podge of your favorite villains. certainly MEMRI did nothing on al-Durah. there is not one piece of info at MEMRI (started in 1998, by the way) on al Durah and they wouldn’t touch the topic with a ten-foot pole. so it’s the exact opposite of your presentation.

    i think you really need to think more carefully about your sources of info than you apparently do. clearly you think you’re open to all sides, but that’s not at all the sense i get from your dismissive remarks, your reasoning on al durah (the israelis admitted it and they normally don’t…), and your very faulty information which you throw out with great confidence.

    i have extensive evidence and analysis on the al durah affair. i’d be very interested in your examining it with as open a mind as you can (you seem to have made up your mind on that one), and let me know what you think.

    r

  9. calzone says:

    Yes RL, you’re correct. I mistook MEMRI for http://www.menapress.com/ (metula news agency)
    But no matter, they’re interchangeable. MEMRI is an arm of Israel’s intelligence community and MENA is just as I described in my last post. They’re birds of a feather. Other propaganda outlets:

    Jewishvirtuallibrary.org

    Honestreporting.com

    palestinefacts.org

    middleast facts

    Jewish Internet Association

    Hasbara.com

    The Middle East Media Research Institute

    The Jerusalem Post

    CMIP “Center for Monitoring the Impact of Peace”

    http://www.ngo-monitor.org/index.php

    They’re the hodge-podge of villians. I consider crypto-orgs whose sole purpose is to disseminate false, misleading information as villains. That’s a reflection of the kind of value system I exercise. To what sort of system do you adhere?

    Mr Ostroff:
    You politely ask for any specific incorrect statements you’ve made in your piece so you can check the facts and make corrections. Sure. Here ya go.
    __________________________________________________
    “The casualties to which you refer, did not occur in a vacuum. They were the tragic result of operations in reaction to attacks by Palestinians.”
    ___________________________________________________
    “The closures of crossing points only take place to avoid terror attacks”
    _____________________________________________________

    “Hamas and the Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed joint responsibility” (to suicide bombing)
    _______________________________________________________

    “last year some 80,000 Palestinians from the West Bank and 40,000 from Gaza came to Israel for medical treatment.”
    ____________________________________________________

    “occasionally bombs are discovered in ambulances at checkpoints”
    CNS NEWS!
    __________________________________________________

    “The real tragedy is that Palestinian extremists have deliberately prevented a thriving cooperative situation with Israel”
    The Israel ministry of public affairs!!!!!!
    ____________________________________________________

    “A successful industrial zone was created at Erez employing about 5,000 workers in some 200 businesses half of which were Palestinian-owned.”
    __________________________________________________

    “Unfortunately the GIE was forced to close when it became the target of deadly Palestinian attacks.”
    __________________________________________________

    “The self-destructive trend continues….

    ….Gazan gunmen wantonly destroyed thousands of greenhouses and other projects left behind by the Jewish settlers who had been evacuated; projects that could have provided income for over 4,500 families.”
    _______________________________________________

    From the BBC report for June
    155 civilian deaths
    57 deaths of children
    996 wounded, including 337 children (34%)
    For the week:
    80 Palestinians killed
    350 injured
    In Beit-Hanoun
    19 killed
    45 injured
    7 children, 4 women
    11 of them members of the same family, incl a 9 yr old child and an old woman.
    ***you minimize the seriousness of this by disputing the numbers. The report you reference doesn’t say 82 killed and 260 injured in the single Beit-Hanoun attack. How about if I were to challenge the veracity of the holocaust by saying 6 million Jews weren’t murdered? It was only actually 5 million three hundred and twenty thousand. Think that would be a fair, balanced and instructive challenge?***
    ___________________________________________

    “Lacking in your letter is any reference to the fact that Israeli civilians are being bombarded daily by rockets fired by Palestinians from civilian areas into civilian areas (a double war crime). No international law prevents Israel from responding. In this instance shells aimed by Israeli artillery at a rocket-launching site hit the wrong target due to a malfunction. Human errors and malfunctions do occur, even in the most highly disciplined fields such as space exploration.”
    I dealt with this amazing paragraph in my earlier post.
    __________________________________________________

    “After serving in IDF Artillery, I can only say that this is every gunner’s nightmare scenario: killing innocent men, women and children.”
    ________________________________________________

    “Linde points out that, in response to Kassam rocket attacks, gunners were ordered to “fire at the source” – which they did, firing a dozen or so shells. He adds that whereas the Kassams are intentionally fired at civilian targets, hoping for maximum casualties and damage, the troops who fired at Beit Hanun were targeting terrorists, not civilians.”
    THE JERUSALEM POST!!!
    _____________________________________________________

    “The wall (most of it is wire)

    would not have been erected if it had not become necessary to prevent deadly suicide bombings and other terror.”
    _____________________________________________________

    “That it has been successful in preventing untold massacres must be balanced against the regrettable, temporary discomfort of some residents…”
    _________________________________________________

    You point out an error on the part of Peace now, yet ignore the overall accuracy of their issue. Sorta like saying we only stole the house on the cul-de-sac when the whole neighborhood was also appropriated. And again-your source?
    CAMERA!!!!!
    _____________________________________________________

    “Similarly your claim that settlements are in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention has been contested by eminent jurists like the late Professor Julius Stone one of the twentieth century’s leading authorities on the Law of Nations”
    ***Oh yeah, this uber-zionist Israeli govt. policy champion “contests” the illegality of the settlements,
    he also maintains that the Palestinians are a nondescript collection of individuals causing trouble for Israel and the M.E., and they have no claim to human rights or recognition by the state of Israel.
    Stone is a darling of the rightwing community and pro-Israel activist sites as well as the propaganda-generators. Balanced huh? ***
    _________________________________________________

    So, you dispute that you’ve relied virtually exclusively on rightwing, disinformation sources and list the BBC & CBS (who I didn’t see referenced) but oddly, you skipped the Australian Jewish Affairs council, CAMERA, CNS, The Israel ministry of public affairs, Jerusalem Post, MEMRI….
    And as for Khaled Abu Toameh, a Jerusalem Post journalist who knows what side his buttered on, if one does a internet search of him you will go 12 pages in….12 pages of sites…hundreds…and still not see a single site that is anything other than extreme rightwing and militantly pro-Israel nutter zionist urls. Here’s a list of his articles:
    http://www.somebodyhelpme.info/righteous/Khaled_Abu_Toameh/abu_toameh.html

    Go ahead, read the list. See ANYTHING there that either criticizes Israel or it’s policies? See anything that doesn’t attack the Palestinians, the Arabs or Muslims? Any non-Pal-hit-pieces? ANYTHING??? One single article? Balanced indeed.

    The Hagadah. It’s worth a read.
    The bread of poverty.
    “That it has been successful in preventing untold massacres must be balanced against the regrettable, temporary discomfort of some residents…”
    Have you no SHAME?

  10. RL says:

    to calzone:
    your ability to lump together MENA and MEMRI suggests you are an ideologue. these are very different organizations — one is a news agency, the other a news monitor. you make a major mistake — MENA made Al Durah central; MEMRI avoided the topic entirely — and just sweep it away with something like, “all these [fill in the blanks] look alike.”
    your list of enemies is just a list of organizations that offer information and analysis you don’t like, not a serious evaluation of what they have to offer.
    i’d say you need some serious thought about epistemology — i.e., how we know what we know. what you know is entirely a function of prejudiced labeling of sources.

  11. Eliyahu says:

    Calzone ["pants" in Italian] claims that MEMRI is an Israeli govt front. Then he points to the BBC as a reliable source. It is notorious that BBC is a British-govt financed press agency, receiving policy direction from the UK foreign office. Go onto my blog and see my half-dozen posts on the BBC’s suppression of news of the Holocaust while it was happening, at first, and later on its minimizing of Holocaust news and its effort to minimize diffusion of such news, while it was happening. Also note the British empire’s pro-Arab, anti-Israel policy during the Holocaust, also on my blog and elsewhere. I quote non-Zionist, non-Jewish sources on my blog about UK pro-Arab, anti-Jewish policy in the Holocaust period. Why don’t you check my sources??? Check the Arab nationalist historian Majid Khadduri who was a pet of the Royal Institute of International Affairs and also taught at an American Univ. Check his book, Independent Iraq, in both editions. The 2nd edition of this book provides evidence of Palestinian Arab collaboration in the Holocaust. After checking my printed sources, and RL’s sources on “seconddraft,” then come back and apologize. Apologize to MENA too while you’re at it. On Lebanon’s reality, check the blog http://www.michaeltotten.com/ .

    In my view, the use of labels like “left-wing” and “right-wing” is foolish and does not fit reality. The notion of a “political spectrum” is foolish. But you have apparently been taken in. As to sources of info, it can be found in many places, even in official govt sources. Further, the MENA is an independent news service founded by veteran Jewish journalists from France. France2 –which originally broadcast the selected footage of the alleged killing of little Muhammad al-Durah [who may still be alive]– refuses to allow public access to other footage taken by the same Arab cameraman at the same place on the same day. What I consider unfortunate is that the struggle against the al-Dura blood libel [which fits into the age-old tradition of blood libels against Jews] has been mostly carried out by independent researchers [such as MENA], rather than by the Israel govt. If you know French, I suggest you look up the op ed column in LeFigaro that came out about two years ago, by Denis Jeambar & Daniel Leconte, two respected, non-Jewish French journalists, on the al-Durah case. They essentially confirm MENA and the “seconddraft” web site’s argument.

    On the other hand, your prejudices may be impervious to empirical fact or rational demonstration.

  12. Maurice Ostroff says:

    To Calzone

    I read and re-read your comments and fail to find any specific response to my request for details of incorrect statements you believe I made in my reply to the 18 South African Jews. You repeated several of my statements, but did not refute them.

    By the way, are you one of the 18 signatories?

    It appears that you misread what I wrote to you. I denied your claim that I relied exclusively on rightwing, disinformation sources and I listed among my sources the BBC & CBS who you didn’t see referenced. If you refer to my letter to the 18 you will find the reference and the link to CBS http://tinyurl.com/28cg8q relating to the 80,000 Palestinians from the West Bank and 40,000 from Gaza who came to Israel for medical treatment. BBC is quoted in reference to Beit Hanoun. I also quoted the official Palestinian Media Center but I did not infer in any way that I had refrained from quoting other sources whom you may criticize.

    I make no apologies for quoting from MEMRI for example, as I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of their reports of Palestinian incitement. I have not seen any denials of their accuracy by the PA nor anyone else. Have you?

    And I ask you as a human being, how can you be unperturbed by the indoctrination of infants as shown in the interview with a three-and-a-half year old girl broadcast on Iqra? See video clip at http://tinyurl.com/kz5of

    I find it difficult to relate to your classification of every writer who is not ant-Israel such as Khaled Abu Toameh, as “extreme rightwing and militantly pro-Israel nutter zionist”. Or when you berate late Professor Julius Stone one of the twentieth century’s leading authorities on the Law of Nations” as a “uber-zionist”. The University of Sydney happens to disagree with you, having honored him by establishing The Julius Stone Institute of Jurisprudence, as a focus for theoretical scholarship in recognition of his outstanding contribution to legal scholarship.

    In concluding I must address something you wrote in reply to RL, where you refer to a number of responsible bodies including Honest Reporting, Jewish Virtual Library and the Jerusalem Post as villains. Really, if your attitude is to vilify everyone who does not share your view, I regret it will be impossible to hold a constructive dialogue or even a civil discourse.

    Sincerely
    Maurice Ostroff

  13. calzone says:

    Dear RL:
    “your ability to lump together MENA and MEMRI suggests you are an ideologue.”
    No, it means I have “ideals”.

    “these are very different organizations — one is a news agency, the other a news monitor.”
    Neither are legitimate “news” anything. I’m a reporter for NPR, I know news.

    “you make a major mistake — MENA made Al Durah central; MEMRI avoided the topic entirely — and just sweep it away with something like, “all these [fill in the blanks] look alike.”

    Not a MAJOR mistake, and I owned up to it, what more do you want? I filled in the blanks. Stop misrepresenting the truth. Stop making material mistatements of facts. The two sites are propaganda outlets, it’s not that “disagree” with them, I’ve studied their so-called reporting and found that it’s non-factual and amounts to disinformation. I’m suprised that you have no apparent concept of disinformation. I suggest you either get a little more life experience or read more varied sources.

    “your list of enemies is just a list of organizations that offer information and analysis you don’t like, not a serious evaluation of what they have to offer.
    i’d say you need some serious thought about epistemology — i.e., how we know what we know. what you know is entirely a function of prejudiced labeling of sources.”

    And I suggest you look up the definition of “prejudiced”. Break it into it’s constituent parts…Pre and Judicious. You’re accusing me of not reading the sources, something that’s happening repeatedly here. It’s mindless drivel, a weak argument, not based in fact. If you consider the sources I listed as reliable, truthful sources for information, you’re either doing the very thing you’re accusing me of (sorry for the grammar) or deliberately misrepresenting what you know to be the truth.
    Which is it?

  14. calzone says:

    ELI:
    The BBC and the U.S. suppressed the news of the holocaust. The U.S. even said they couldn’t bomb the areas around the concentration camps or get to them to help the inmates and it was a complete lie. Bush’s family financed the nazi regime right up until 43, and even helped the company that made the ovens. So what does all this have to do with what’s being discussed here? Hey, some of the Jewish zionists even helped the implementation of the Nazi persecution of Jews, to help drive immigrants to Palestine. So? Jews will betray Jews, just like Christians will betray Christians.
    BTW the Brits double-crossed the Arabs, they were not friends. The Brits did the same thing to Iraq that we’re doing now as well.
    Palestinian collaboration in the holocaust? Can u give a thumbnail synopsis?
    As for apologizing, I got an apology for ya right here (grabs crotch). Mena is garbage, it’s a psyop outfit.
    Michael Totten is something I’ll occasionally read when I need a good laugh. You should see what arabs and Muslims write about his so-called “on-site knowlege”.
    If you mean by saying rightwing and leftwing is foolish because they’re increasingly similar in the practical sense, with the so-called liberal pols being just as much whores to the rich and powerful as the rapture-ublicans, and warmongerers with no ballz, then I reluctantly admit that it’s looking that way. But labels do fit. There is at least a theoretical, ideological difference between the two. And throughout the world, there’s a rightwing and a left. The right is associated accurately with fascism, ultra-nationalism, authoritarianism and dictatorship, such as the present Israeli govt and to a lesser degree, the U.S..
    This is why Israel is the most negatively viewed country in the world, with the U.S. at 3rd after Iran.
    Your characterization of MENA is incorrect. And to say that Al Durah may not have been killed….ummm….let me guess-you also believe it wasn’t a plane that hit the Pentagon but a missile, the WTC was brought down by thermite charges, and a Corsican hit man killed JFK. Right? Why do you point out that the cameraman was…arab? How is that relevant? Are you implying that his Arabosity places his motivations and credibilty in question? The killing was caught on tape. The IDF admitted it was to blame. They did not admit it was deliberate, but when have they ever?
    How far shall we go back for rote auto-denial? To the USS Liberty?
    As for le figaro, yes I speak and read french, but the entire French press blackballing MENA is good enuf for me, along with the French govt court finding that MENA libeled Agence. If you’d like to post the core of figaro’s dissent, feel free, I’ll read it, and check it.

  15. calzone says:

    Dear Mr. Ostroff:
    “You repeated several of my statements, but did not refute them.”
    You asked which of your statements were inaccurate or misleading…I listed them…virtually your entire treatise. I’d refute them point by point, but 1. I don’t have 7 hours and 23 mins to devote to this fable and 2. When someone responds to the assertion “The sky is blue” not by saying “No, it’s magenta” but by saying “that’s not the sky, it’s the interior surface of a vast cavern and our perspective is from the center of the earth, the illumination comes from thermal-electric discharges in the atmosphere”…well, I get the sense that any refutation is somewhat…futile.
    I am not one of the 18 signatories, nor am I one of the 3 stooges…I’m one of the disaffected and angry 35 odd million.
    Your figures for Israeli-treated Pals comes from the cybercast news network. Produce the same figures from something like the Guardian UK, or a Palestinian news outlet and I’ll take it more seriously.
    Do I have reason to doubt the accuracy or MEMRI? Mr Ostroff, look up who is behind MEMRI, read their history, read their articles, then ask me that again.
    If you do, I will shake my head in sad disbelief.
    Here is a list of quotes about MEMRI:

    “MEMRI’s website does not mention Carman or his work for Israeli intelligence. Nor does it mention MEMRI’s co-founder, Meyrav Wurmser, and her extreme brand of Zionism”

    “the stories selected by Memri for translation…reflect badly on the character of Arabs

    “The translation and selection of quotes tend to portray Islam in a very negative light”

    “They often resort to outright distortion”

    “MEMRI’s intent is to find the worst possible quotes from the Muslim world and disseminate them as widely as possible.”

    “does not present a balanced or complete picture of the Arab print media. …Quotes are selected to portray Arabs as preaching hatred against Jews and westerners, praising violence and refusing any peaceful settlement of the Palestinian issue.”

    You wrote:
    “And I ask you as a human being, how can you be unperturbed by the indoctrination of infants as shown in the interview with a three-and-a-half year old girl broadcast on Iqra? See video clip at http://tinyurl.com/kz5of

    Thanks for asking for my opinion via the perspective of a human being. No need. I view everything from the perspective of a human being. I’ve occasionally tried to alter my perspective, but even with the assistance of Alcohol and herb I still view things as a human being.
    You use the plural…infants…this example is one child that obviously is repeating something her prejudiced and hate-filled parents have taught her. It happens in every group.
    Here’s some more examples:

    http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/2668/israeligirlsgifts02fo6.jpg

    http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/5880/israeligirlgift01yn6.jpg

    http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8079/israeligirlsbombs3cj2.jpg

    Gift recipients:

    http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6311/giftrecipient1va4.jpg

    http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8161/giftrecipient3ce4.jpg

    And in another incident:

    http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1640/gazayl9.jpg

    These above make me react as a human being also.
    But you know, the sites you rely on for your perspective don’t reflect a humanistic, honest agenda.
    They reflect cynical, mendacious, xenophobic and anti-Judaic values. They are one of the greatest impediments to something such as this….

    http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/492/thiswillhappensomedayir6.jpg

    The remainder of your characterizations of my rebutal do not reflect reality anymore than the points I parsed.
    I can (and often do) disagree anmicably with someone who holds a different view from my own. But I cannot remain tolerant or respectful to outright misrepresentations of facts that are resulting in mass misery, poverty, oppression, slaughter, dehumanization, ethnic-cleansing, marginalization, discrimination, and treatment ironically similar to what the Jews endured in Europe between 1936 and ’45. Nope. Can’t do it.

  16. Cynic says:

    calzone said: Palestinian collaboration in the holocaust? Can u give a thumbnail synopsis?

    The Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection

    Read the article and see the picture this quote refers to:
    A picture taken in 1943 of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin el-Husseini reviewing Bosnian-Muslim troops – a unit of the “Hanjar (Saber) Division” of the Waffen SS which he personally recruited for Hitler.

    Why not do some reading instead of insinuating? Why don’t you provide some facts to back up your assertions?
    Read: Klaus Gensicke, Der Mufti von Jerusalem, Amin el-Husseini und die Nationalsozialisten (Frankfurt am Main: Verlag Peter Lang, 1988)

  17. calzone says:

    Ummm…Cynic….you actually want me to believe one single word from your HATE-SITE source? You reference freerepublic, an offensive collection of bigots and neo-fascists, who themselves reference GAMLA, another hate-site. Freerepublic is barely better than little green footballs, another collection of racist bigots whose members are directly responsible for the murder of Nick Berg in Iraq.
    Let us examine your little site, OK “cynic”?
    {“Gamla, a group founded by former Israeli military officers and settlers.

    One of the group’s three founders is Elyakim Haetzni, one of the first and most prominent West Bank settlers who lives in Kiryat Arba settlement near Hebron. Another was the late Lt. Colonel Shlomo Baum, a founder of Israel’s notorious Unit 101, which with the young Ariel Sharon as its leader carried out the brutal massacre of dozens of civilians in the Palestinian village of Qibya in 1953, among other atrocities. (my note: Sharon, the “butcher of Beirut”, personally oversaw the systematic massacre of over 3500 innocent, unsuspecting civilians in Lebanon) The third, retired Colonel Moshe Leshem, also a longtime spokesman for the settlers, has a show on Israel’s settler radio network “Arutz 7″ along with Haetzni.”}
    Your site is comprised of bigots, racists and war criminals. They’re goal is a “final solution” for the Palestinians. Nice reading material you favor there…cynic. Are you deliberately trying to be offensive? I guess so.

  18. Cynic says:

    calzone,
    I tried to provide a thumbnail synopsis which you requested and what could be better than what the Nazis documented and unfortunately the messenger is a site that you object to. Not my site by the way. Just google.
    But obviously anything that contradicts your stereotypical vision can not be tolerated.
    In your case accusing one of being a bigot seems a case of the pot ….

  19. Eliyahu says:

    calzone, a fanatic doesn’t let himself be convinced too easily. You admit, however, that bbc “suppressed the news of the Holocaust,” as you say the American press did too. Now, bbc has always been a UK govt broadcaster, just as NPR, which you claim to work for, is US-govt financed. So why should I or anyone agree a priori that NPR statements or BBC statements are more reliable than those of MEMRI, which you claim is run by veterans of Israeli intelligence. If BBC was prejudiced against Jews during the WW2/Holocaust period, when did it change, if ever, to a pro-Jewish policy? It’s notorious among many observers, including some of the saner people in the UK, that bbc is extremely hostile to Israel. So has the bbc changed its policy towards Jews? Indeed the bbc has broadcast many of the libels against Israel that you seem to believe.

    Next, France2 is a French govt-controlled/owned broadcaster. France2 is the origin of the reports of the alleged death of Muhammad al-Durah. The film supplied by a local, Arab cameraman in Gaza was edited by Charles Enderlin of France2′s Jerusalem studio, broadcast on France2, and later distributed for free to other media outlets throughout the world. Hence, if a source’s credibility is reduced or eliminated by its connection to a govt, then we shouldn’t believe anything out of bbc, npr, pbs, or France2. Is that correct? Or do you make an exception for links to the Israeli govt?

    More on al-Durah, RL has done a lot of work researching the case. The court in Paris found against Philippe Karsenty. The issue was not directly that of the truth of France2′s claim about the death or shooting of the boy. Rather, Karsenty had called for the dismissal of Enderlin and of his superior at France2 in Paris. This was offending or disparaging a public official. Emile Zola was tried under the same law for questioning the Dreyfus conviction more than 100 years ago. On the court cases in France, I ask RL to correct me or clarify what I have written if necessary. In short, the Karsenty case and the other two cases did not take up the truth or falsehood of the France2 broadcast in question. By the way, did npr send a reporter to cover that trial and if not, why not?
    In this regard, I suggest that you view the film on the seconddraft site and the films issued by Pierre Rehov on the past six and a half years of Arab-Israeli conflict.

    Getting back to Arab Holocaust collaboration, there is a large literature confirming this fact. But first, let us take a little peek at Arab sympathy for the Nazis, according to a “leftist” source. How about IFStone? Is he a good enough “leftist” journalist for you? In his “I F Stone’s Weekly” of 1 June 1964, Stone reported that Nasser had told a Neo-Nazi German newspaper [Deutsche National Zeitung und Soldaten Zeitung, 1 May 1964] that, “Our sympathies in the Second World War were on the German side.” Check that out.
    Next, on Palestinian Arab collaboration in the Holocaust, particularly the role of Haj Amin el-Husseini. You will find on my site a link to “Bibliotheque Proche-Orientale.” This site has profuse documentation of Husseini’s pro-Nazi activities and pro-Holocaust actions. It contains photos of events plus photographed pages from books/pamphlets in French & English. You could also do a google search for “arabs and nazis” . Husseini is also known as “the mufti of Jerusalem.”

    Next, on British support for Arab nationalism. Anthony Eden, who was UK foreign minister during the Holocaust and thus responsible for BBC broadcasts, was also responsible in great measure for setting up that very important Arab nationalist/pan-Arabist institution called the Arab League. Search on my blog for “Eden” and for “arab league” .
    You could also find info about the British anti-Israel policy on the emperor’sclothes blog. This includes quotes from the “leftist” Nation magazine of the late 1940s.

    You seem to be a person who has undergone intensive indoctrination/brainwashing, perhaps helped by the weed that you mentioned. That is a pity for you do seem to be intelligent. You ought to do independent study of history, read the newspapers of the past published at crucial periods. You could also read books published in the late 1930s-1940s by John Roy Carlson, I F Stone, Frank Gervasi, William Ziff, Arthur Koestler, etc. Indeed, you need to do a lot of study.

  20. calzone says:

    ELI: NPR is not govt funded, St. Reagan the clueless took care of that. I don’t even know if the BBC was around during WW2, so don’t put words in my mouth. Suppressing news of the holocaust does not equal being anti-semitic and certainly doesn’t indicate an anti-Israel bias since there was no Israel at that time.
    I have a little news for you. Not being pro-Jew does not equal being anti-Semitic. Similarly, feeling that zionism is a racist, violent, supremist ideology doesn’t equal anti-semitism either. Nor is the conviction that Israel and her supporters qualify as the moral & intellectual backwater of world Jewry.
    Sorry. I mean, I realize that this might irritate you and challenge your most deeply held beliefs but that’s life in the big city.
    If you make the assertion that the BBC is no more credible than Israeli news MEMRI, then you’re living in some world that’s quite different from that of sane, reasonable people. That’s a fact. If you think that an Arab living in the 1940′s supporting the Nazis is indicative of some relevant, sweeping attitude on the part of modern Arabs, then once again, you need to move out of Jonestown and avoid the kool-aid.
    What “libels” has the BBC reported as fact, and what “libels” do I believe? C’mon Eli, let’s have it. Clench your lower intestinal muscles, squeeze it out. I know you can do it. Give it your best shot.

    A source’s credibility isn’t reduced or eliminated by it’s connection to a govt., it’s reduced or eliminated by the level, branch, and nature of the specific govt., and the track record of the source and particular govt.. That’s called honest, common, sense.
    You should try it sometime.
    The French courts found that Memri wasn’t truthful. That Memri’s methods were lacking in ethics. But the entire press community of France turned their backs on Memri. That’s because they recognized a hit piece when they saw it. They recognized that memri’s challenge of the bullet angles, the supposed children playing to be shot before the Al-Durah footage, the timeline…all were nothing more than obfuscitory propaganda. Memri threw a tantrum because they had a hard time getting to see the whole tape. When they did, and saw that the tape matched exactly everything that was reported, they flew into another hissy-fit, and deliberately misrepresented the entire affair. Misrepresentation. It’s what Memri and Mena and Gamla and CNS and Hasbara and CMIP and the Jerusalem Post are all about, it’s their raison-d’etre, their avocat, their comfiture, their tasse de tea, sans blaque, et ban dit donc. Ce n’est pas des cochonerie eh? Ban. Sh’uis pas con. Je sais q’est-que je dit, enfin. J’ai d’habitude.
    As for Dreyfuss, I’m sorry that happened, noty so much because an innocent man had to sweat on devil’s island, but because Teddy Herzl was inspired by same, and Herzl’s effect on human history has been toxic. Even for the Jews. It’s impossible to be a good Jew and a zionist.
    Nasser? 1964? What does this prove? Huh? What in the world are you talking about? Who cares what Nasser said or didn’t say? He was a dumbass braggart that played into the Israeli’s hands in ’67. All of his peers regarded him with thinly veiled contempt. He was a moron.
    And you’re still huffing about Husseini? What is wrong with you? SO WHAT if it’s true? So an Arab thought the enemy of his enemy was his friend. We were allied with Stalin in WW2, does that make Roosevelt and Truman social-imperialist communists? But we’re not even talking about a countries leader, we’re talking about one single Arab in the middle east that didn’t control any country or even a freakin’ Wadi.
    You’re gonna have to actually come up with a substantive point here. I’m not some first year college student, I’m not some naive, sheltered Mayberry bovine etch-a-scketch Bush republican.
    Stop insulting me.
    keep this nonsense up and I won’t dignify your pablum with a response.
    British support for the Arabs? Who do you think carved up the Arabs and gave their land of Palestine-the very best parts- away to the 5% of the population, Jews, that lived there? You wanna know how much the British supported the Arabs? Pick up a history book. ANY history book. I don’t know what the hell you’ve been reading but you need edumacate yourself or at least take off the maxwell Smart plexiglass helmet.
    Large parts of the middle east allied themselves with the British against the nazis. They fought the Germans alongside the British. What are you trying to say here, what’s your thesis? That the Arabs are closet Nazis? It ain’t the Arab countries that resemble the Warsaw ghetto kiddo, it’s Palestine, Hebron, Gaza, the West Bank and the areas around the ILLEGAL settlements. And it’s Israel that created those ghettos. Get a grip.
    I’d like to see you dress and pretend to be a Palestinian arab and spend ONE SINGLE DAY in Hebron. One day.

  21. Eliyahu says:

    14. “ELI:
    The BBC and the U.S. suppressed the news of the holocaust.”

    20. I don’t even know if the BBC was around during WW2, so don’t put words in my mouth. Suppressing news of the holocaust does not equal being anti-semitic. . .”

    Calzone in two different posts. Maybe in #14 he was simply throwing my words back at me sarcastically. But not knowing whether the BBC was around during WW2 indicates great ignorance or great disingenuousness, at best. There really isn’t much any of us, I or RL or Maurice Ostroff, or Cynic or Chevalier can say to this character to convince him of anything. Perhaps it’s the herb that he says keeps him company. Yet, I do want to add one item as to what he could do to verify something that I and others have said. In regard to the Holocaust collaboration of Haj Amin el-Husseini [Husayni], British-appointed mufti of Jerusalem, I would like again to ask calzone to look up a book by the Arab nationalist historian Majid Khadduri, Independent Iraq, in its second edition. Khadduri quotes a document [in the 2nd edition] drawn up by Husseini [Husayni] and other Arab nationalists, in which they ask Hitler to extend Nazi anti-Jewish policies to the Jews in Arab countries. Khadduri also shows how Husseini was allowed to leave France in 1946, instead of being tried as a war criminal [see Khadduri's 2nd edition]. Khadduri was not a Jew, not a Zionist. He was an Arab nationalist. But even he cannot convince calzone, I am sure.
    Since calzone stigmatizes many reliable sources, there is not much that can done in a dialogue with him.

  22. Charlie says:

    “If you think that an Arab living in the 1940’s supporting the Nazis is indicative of some relevant, sweeping attitude on the part of modern Arabs, then once again, you need to move out of Jonestown and avoid the kool-aid.”

    If you need to be pointed to the 1940′s to find examples of poisonous ideology among the Palestinian population, then you are indeed a clueless moron. Watch Palesinian television. Read Palestinian literature. Hear Palestinian sermons. See what is sold in Palestinian bookstores.

    It is your position that the terrible condition of the territories under the Palestinian Authority is overwhelmingly the fault of Israeli policy and of Zionism, and that this position can be maintained without being anti-Semitic. If this is possible (which it is), then why don’t you give the other side the benefit of the doubt and hear our arguments without calling us bigoted or anti-muslim or whatnot? When you criticize Israel and are accused of anti-semitism, you are indignant, but at the same time you show no moral compunction about doing the exact same thing to the other side.

  23. Michael B says:

    calzone,

    Herein i’ve followed your venom and, in notable part, your vapidry, with both amusement and chagrin. Your blowfish tactics, your coruscations of moralistic bravado, the snide intellections, additionally affecting an impervious omniscience, all combine to provide amusement. As such that amusement is real enough, though too one merely waits for it to burn out, like Fourth-of-July sparklers; amusement and heat absent any real light. In the end it’s a wry amusement, for example as reflected in your perverse epistemological sense and adaptations. Too, the affected omniscience effectively immunizes your hollow contempt and stunted intellections from any more substantial engagement in empirical/historical and reasonable/rational terms, so there’s no sense in wasting the attempt.

    But ultimately, and this reflects the chagrin, yours is the language not merely of a self-regarding obduracy, but of rationales for lethality and war; at base that’s what you’re forwarding. As such it is fitting, it is perfectly fitting, that you’re an NPR reporter cum ideologue, also that you’re a defender of the often nihilistic culture of Arafatistan, with all that implies.

    Boo.

  24. Maurice Ostroff says:

    To Calzion

    It is difficult, if not impossible, to conduct a serious dialogue with you while you flatly deny almost the entire content of my letter to the 18, without providing any basis whatsoever for your conclusions.

    It is equally difficult to understand your innuendos about MEMRI. While you appear to be very knowledgeable about that organization, you refuse to acknowledge that the hate speech that MEMRI publishes is all too common not only in PA controlled media, but even in mosques in Britain. Most disappointing is your dismissal of the poisoning of an infant’s mind as depicted in the video clip I quoted, as something trivial.

    The Palestinian people certainly deserve a better life in a state of their own and my efforts at countering misinformation are aimed at achieving mutual understanding towards this end. The ordinary Palestinian people are unfortunately ill served by extremists and hate speech as well as the overt call by Hamas for the destruction of Israel are obvious obstacles in the way of ordinary Palestinians attaining the better life they deserve. I suggest you read the clauses in the Hamas and PLO charters, which I referred to in my letter to the 18.

    While I am interested in conducting constructive dialogue, I have neither the time nor the inclination to merely exchange debating points. I therefore have no intention of continuing this correspondence.

  25. rlandes says:

    calzone, i don’t have the time here in china to respond to all of your comments, which really deserve a study. but here’s just some detail from your lengthy comments which reveal some of the problems with your approach.

    you wrote (in italics)

    You should try it sometime.
    The French courts found that Memri wasn’t truthful.

    first off, it’s MENA, not MEMRI. which suggests that a) when corrected the correction makes no dent in your tapes; and b) you are a lumper — all them zionist sites are the same.

    second, the courts did not find that MEMRI wasn’t truthful. they found that it was the only source for the argument, and, not being willing to examine the evidence further, and citing the lack of Israeli govt involvement in the case, they dismissed the evidence.

    That Memri’s methods were lacking in ethics. But the entire press community of France turned their backs on Memri. That’s because they recognized a hit piece when they saw it. They recognized that memri’s challenge of the bullet angles, the supposed children playing to be shot before the Al-Durah footage, the timeline…all were nothing more than obfuscitory propaganda.

    again, nothing in the court decision on ethics of MENA. and the french media lined up with the court not because, as you say, they recognized obfuscatory propaganda, but because recognizing what the MENA report suggested would have forced them to criticize France2 and reconsider the thrust of their Middle East coverage… which was the last thing they would want to do. as for the evidence, I think it’s quite probative. check the second draft for the evidence, rather than buy third hand reports.

    Memri threw a tantrum because they had a hard time getting to see the whole tape. When they did, and saw that the tape matched exactly everything that was reported, they flew into another hissy-fit, and deliberately misrepresented the entire affair.

    MENA never saw the rest of the tapes. i did, and when I did i was blown away by the systematic faking i saw. it was coming out of that viewing with Charles Enderlin that inspired the term Pallywood. deliberately misrepresenting is the Palestinians’ raison d’etre, and passing on those misrepresentations, seems to be our MSM’s bad habit. you are the perfect illustration of that success.

    Where did you get your version of events? I’m fascinated to know how much you read, and how much you filled in the gaps with your own imagination.

    Misrepresentation. It’s what Memri and Mena and Gamla and CNS and Hasbara and CMIP and the Jerusalem Post are all about, it’s their raison-d’etre, their avocat, their comfiture, their tasse de tea, sans blaque, et ban dit donc. Ce n’est pas des cochonerie eh? Ban. Sh’uis pas con. Je sais q’est-que je dit, enfin. J’ai d’habitude.

    Just what evidence do you have to offer for your remarkable claim: “Sh’uis pas con”? I hope you can forgive an informed reader from coming to the opposite conclusion.

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