70% of Gazans Wish Israel would Re-Occupy : The Karma of Hatred Comes Home to Roost

MEMRI has an excellent survey of the attitudes of Palestinians towards the current anarchy in Gaza. In particular, sources inside the “occupied territories” report that maybe 70% of Gazans wish the Israelis would invade to get rid of both Fatah and Hamas.

Inquiry and Analysis Series – No. 359
June 1, 2007
No.359

‘We Are Facing a Second Nakba’-Reactions in the Palestinian Press to the Hamas-Fatah Clashes
By: C. Jacob, Research Fellow at MEMRI

“The situation in the Gaza Strip, and especially in the city of Gaza, is scary. Murders are committed by the dozen, using every [conceivable] weapon… The murder machine, fueled by every conceivable type of hatred, is hurtling in every direction, all the time, everywhere… in the mosques… in the schools… [There are] executions… Leaders are attacked, and their families humiliated… Children and innocent civilians are being murdered…” Talal Okal, columnist for the Palestinian Authority daily Al-Ayyam, May 17, 2007.

Note that in addition to the violence and hatred, the columnist mentions the humiliation of the families whose fathers are being killed. My guess is, that in comparison with the “humiliation” of Palestinians by Israelis at checkpoints, these humiliations are something like the difference between US torture and al-Qaeda torture. This is the karma of the Palestinian addiction to violence and hatred which, far from having ideological or religious sources, reflects a culture of unrestrained pursuit of “my way.” As long as the “ideological” and the underlying sources of the violence coincide, Palestinian thugs can hide behind the ideology and Western dupes can tell themselves that this is a just cause. When the two part paths, the violence of hatred turns inwards because Palestinian alpha males have never learned to pursue what they want any other way.

Introduction

The current wave of violent Hamas-Fatah clashes is one of the most brutal the PA has known, especially considering that it broke out only a short while after the signing of the Mecca Agreement, which was supposed to put an end to the mutual fighting. The large number of casualties, and the fear that has taken hold of the Gaza streets, have sparked intense protest among Palestinians and Arabs, with harsh criticism directed towards both the PA and Hamas.

Some consequences of the clashes are public statements by residents calling on Israel to reenter the Gaza Strip, and concerns regarding the effect of the fighting on the international community’s faith in the Palestinians’ ability to establish a state, to honor agreements, and to maintain peace.

Among the solutions proposed in the Palestinian media were to launch a third intifada, this time against those responsible for the internal chaos, and to bring in Arab or international forces to keep the peace between the Fatah and Hamas.

Who is Responsible for the Clashes? – Mutual Accusations by Fatah and Hamas

Fatah and PLO spokesmen accused Hamas of staging a coup against the Palestinian Authority and of trying to renege on the Mecca Agreement. The PLO Executive Committee issued a statement saying: “What is happening in Gaza is an attempted coup against the legitimate security apparatuses, aimed at imposing by force the legitimacy of the armed militias, and especially the legitimacy of the Hamas militia [known as the] Executive Force.” It should be noted that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas pronounced the Executive Force illegal immediately after its establishment.” [Al-Ayyam (Palestinian Authority), May 17, 2007]

A statement issued by the Fatah Central Committee said: “Behind the mutual killing of Palestinian by Palestinian stand local leaders and field [commanders] from Hamas who are working to overthrow the national unity government and the Mecca Agreement.”[Al-Quds (Jerusalem), May 19, 2007] In a similar vein, Fatah spokesman Tawfiq Abu Khoussa accused Hamas of losing control over its armed militias.[Al-Ayyam (PA), May 18, 2007]

Palestinian Deputy Prime Minister Azzam Al-Ahmad demanded that all armed gunmen from both sides be removed from the streets, saying: “PA President [Mahmoud Abbas] issued a presidential decree proclaiming the Executive Force illegitimate only two days after its establishment was announced.” On another occasion, Azzam Al-Ahmad called to dismantle the Executive Force, accusing its men of carrying out executions that were pushing the Palestinians to the brink of civil war. [Al-Ayyam (PA), May 18, 2007; Al-Hayat Al-Jadida (PA), May 20, 2007]

Yousef Al-Qazzaz, a senior Palestinian Broadcasting Authority official and columnist for the PA daily Al-Ayyam, wrote: “A strong smell of Al-Qaeda is rising from what is being done in Gaza by the [forces] of chaos, which are murdering Palestinian security personnel and killing innocent women and children [right] in front of Prime Minister [Ismail Haniyya] from Hamas, who is unable to restrain them.”[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida (PA), May 19, 2007]

Hamas spokesmen, on the other hand, accused Fatah of collaborating with the U.S. and with Israel, and claimed that the revolutionary faction within Fatah was rebelling against the Palestinian government. In response to Azzam Al-Ahmad’s call to dismantle the Executive Force, Hamas demanded that his immunity be revoked and he stand trial. Hamas Spokesman Fawzi Barhoum said: “Al-Ahmad represents the Legislative Council and the Fatah party. How can he demand the dismantling of a legitimate police force?” [Al-Hayat Al-Jadida (PA), May 19, 2007]. Hamas representative Ayman Tah asked:

    “Why doesn’t Azzam Al-Ahmad speak of the Fatah’s [own] executive force, about its illegitimacy and its massacre of residents? Why doesn’t he speak of the presidential club, which has become an execution chamber for residents and which has made it licit to kill the [Palestinian] people?” [Al-Risala (Gaza), May 17, 2007]. Another Hamas statement said: “Israel’s jets did not hesitate to respond to Azzam Al-Ahmad’s call to [come] and wipe out the interior ministry’s Executive Force.” [Al-Risala (Gaza), May 17, 2007]

Hamas also characterized the events in Gaza as a rebellion by commanders from the revolutionary faction within Fatah against the Palestinian government and against the agreements signed by Abbas and Haniyya [Al-Risala (Gaza), May 17, 2007]. Haniyya’s political advisor Ahmad Yousef accused factions within Fatah and the security apparatuses of “following orders from the U.S. and Israel to escalate the violence. Both movements,” he added,” need a second Mecca Agreement in order to resolve the problems that still remain, such as the hierarchy within the security apparatuses and the appointment of an interior minister.” Ahmad Yousef also accused the U.S. of strengthening Fatah at the expense of Hamas.” [Al-Ayyam (PA), May 18, 2007]

In a communiqué, Hamas explained the reasons behind the movements’ attack on the residence of Rashid Abu Shbak, head of the PA National Security Forces, in which several of his bodyguards were killed:

    “We have repeatedly warned against the aggression and organized murders carried out by members [of a certain faction], and their execution of people in the streets just because they wear a beard [i.e. look religious]… [Eventually,] we had no choice but to convey a message to those leading the civil war, [letting them know] that Hamas’ patience is running out.” [Al-Hayat Al-Jadida (PA), May 17, 2007]

The mutual recrimination is classic — neither side accepts responsibility, both accuse the other of being tools of the US and Israel. This is very similar to the way Khoumeini and Saddam Hussein behaved during their murderous 8-year-long war (1980-88). Each man accused the other of being a Zionist agent, even though Israel had nothing to do with the conflict (except as a key mythical figure in the paranoid universe of the two men and their nations, stuggling for dominion, the one over the other).

Arab, Palestinian Media Discuss the Causes of the Fighting: The U.S. and Israel Are to Blame, But Other Causes Are Greed for Power, a Tribal and Factional Mentality, and Pursuit of Personal Interests

The Palestinian and Arab press posited several reasons for the fighting in Gaza. Former Al-Hayat editor Jihad Al-Khazen argued that one of the motivations was greed for power.

    “The [recent] wave of internal fighting in Gaza did not surprise me. I have already written that the Palestinians are facing civil war, and that the weapons being smuggled into the Gaza Strip by Hamas and Fatah are not intended for use against Israel, but for a civil war whose only motivation is a struggle for power and control, even at the expense of the residents’ lives…”

At the same time, Al-Hazan also evoked a conspiracy theory blaming the U.S. and Israel for the situation in Gaza:

    “[When] the Bush administration pressured President Mahmoud Abbas into holding elections in the PA, they both knew that Hamas would win, not thanks to any achievements [of its own] but due to the corruption within Fatah. Hamas [indeed] won, but it is designated in the U.S. and Europe as a terrorist organization, and thus the Bush administration achieved its aim. It boycotted the Palestinians, lay siege to their government, and starved [them], using Hamas’ [designation as] a terrorist organization as an excuse. Just as Fatah could not believe that it had lost its power, Hamas cannot believe that it had come into power, and both factions have thus played into the hands of the Palestinians’ enemies in the U.S. and Israel… How can the Hamas and Fatah leaders ignore the fact that it was Bush’s government, and the Sharon and Olmert governments, that pushed [Hamas and Fatah] to this situation, and that the [internal] Palestinian fighting is [actually] an Israeli aspiration?” [Al-Hayat (London), May 18, 2007]

Legislative Council member Rawiya Al-Shawa linked the situation in Gaza with the disengagement:

    “Everything that is happening today [in Gaza] is a result of Sharon’s plan to sabotage the [resolving] of the Palestinian problem. There was a unilateral withdrawal that the Palestinians regarded as a clear victory [for them]. Sharon and his successors disconnected the Gaza Strip from the West Bank… Everything that is happening now [is the result of] our falling into the clever trap that Sharon devised… in order to disrupt the functioning of Palestinian society.” [Al-Quds (Jerusalem), May 18, 2007]

I’m not sure al-Hazan and al-Shawa believe this so much as they want to shame the factions into not giving strength to the enemy. I suspect this is more likely a straw in the wind than an effective response to the libido necandi (lust to kill) that prevails.

al-Shawa’s approach presents an interesting if knotty problem: most Israelis rue the day they left Gaza. But for the Palestinians, who initially saw it as a great victory — we brave warriors drove them out — it now seems like a clever trap laid by Sharon to make them suffer still more. And yet, the signs were there from the beginning. The destruction of a valuable economic infrastructure in the stupid destruction of the hot houses. Even the very celebration of the Israeli withdrawal showed in stark detail where the real problems lay. A Hamas “float” carrying live explosives accidently blew up killing 15 (many of them children drawn to the float by the weaponry on display) and injuring dozens. The Western MSM did not blame Israel (as did Hamas), but also failed to examine the culture of violence and complete disregard for the safety of Palestinians such a “celebration” revealed.

Others evoked the factor of tribal and factional affiliation taking priority over national solidarity. Al-Ayyam columnist Ashraf Al-Ajrami wrote: “We are facing a new nakba, which actually began when the second intifada turned into a chaos of armed militiamen, shortly after it began. Palestinian society is eroding, and the values of national affiliation are disappearing, to be replaced by factional and tribal affiliation and by personal interests.” [Al-Ayyam (PA), May 14, 2007]

Ibrahim Abrash, political science lecturer at Al-Azhar University in Gaza, argued that the Mecca Agreement failed to deal with the real problems:

    “The Mecca Agreement did not address the real reasons for the conflicts, [namely that] every [Palestinian] faction has its own strategy, outlook and foreign relations that clash with those of the other [factions]… The Mecca Agreement did not resolve the problems of rebuilding the security apparatuses and [reorganizing] the PLO.” [Al-Ayyam (PA), May 18, 2007]

The Consequences of the Fatah-Hamas Clashes

The Clashes “Are Murdering the Palestinian Cause”

Al-Ayyam columnist Abdallah Awwad attacked both Fatah and Hamas:

    Between one murder and another, between one kidnapping and the next… our leaders continue to sit in their [meaningless] seats and to speak of ‘resistance,’ ‘liberation,’ ‘unity,’ and ‘return’… They are all liars. The weapons they wish to retain, [ostensibly] as the weapons of resistance, are actually weapons of internecine terrorism and murder… You are murdering the [Palestinian] cause, [our] people and [our] future… Oh murderers, you have ruined our world, castrated our nationalism, prostituted our resistance… You have turned our lives into hell. [In fact,] hell is preferable… Take your government, your militias, and your gangs and go to hell.” [Al-Ayyam (PA), May 17, 2007]

There’s a special irony here. Islamic heaven is actually a crassly materialistic and sexual dream of instant and complete gratification… if you will, the bourgeois hedonist’s dream actually made possible by modern civil societies to those willing to do the work. In their grotesque pursuit of that dream through martyrdom, the Palestinians have turned their real lives into an experience worse than hell.

Palestinian columnist Abd Al-Nasser Al-Najjar wrote in a similar vein:

    “Oh murderers in the streets of Gaza, we renounce you. You cannot have emerged from the womb of the Holy Land. You are despicable. You are chasing after [what is left] of our shattered government, [pursuing your own] interests… You are neither Muslims nor believers… Today, we are ashamed to speak out loud of our Palestinian [identity], when in the past we took pride in our Palestinian self-sacrifice, revolution and martyrdom. Oh you mercenaries, you have betrayed our dreams and murdered our promised state. [Our] enemies have used you as a Trojan horse. Oh murderers, you are the Satan of Palestine… Know that a bullet you fire in the Gaza street, no matter what your affiliation, will turn into a curse that will pursue you to your own graves. Oh murderers of Gaza… you have no place [among us] now that you have killed everything that is beautiful within us.” [Al-Ayyam (PA), May 19, 2007]

Wow. Talk about not getting the point. The Oslo “Trojan Horse” was what your proud Palestinian revolution tried to do to the Israelis. Then it was okay. Now when it becomes “blowback” in your faces, you hide behind the “noble” cause and curse in the darkness. You murdered your dreams of a state when you built them on the annihilation of the “other.” And now, when the very forces you thought to harness in your treachery turn against you, you see nothing but more “enemies” of your beautiful aspirations.

Palestinian Officials: The World Perceives Us as a People Incapable of Establishing a State

Columnists also expressed concern that the fighting would affect the Palestinians’ image in the eyes of the international community. Bassam Abu Sharif, who was an advisor to Arafat, wrote:

    “The situation in Gaza has reached the explosion point, and the Israeli message to the West and to Washington is ‘do you really want these people to establish an independent state? If they are shooting each other [now], what will they do when they have a state? If they violate the agreements they have signed with each other and with the Arabs, what will they do with the agreements [they sign] with Israel?” [Al-Quds (Jerusalem), May 19, 2007]

This is particularly revealing and illustrates a major point I have tried to make repeatedly: the Palestinians are very sensitive to their “image.” If the West were more critical of the Palestinians, they would have much greater motivation to change. These accusations, put into the mouths of the Israelis, represent precisely what the Palestinians need to confront, and precisely what, by rejecting these observations because they come from the mouths of Israelis, the Western intelligentsia has encouraged the Palestinians to ignore.

Columnist and Palestinian official Yousef Qazzaz wrote:

    “To this very day, I do not understand why most of our senior [officials] are afraid to declare in all honesty that we – [our] government, [our] security apparatuses and the [Palestinian] people – have [all] failed in implementing the law and in maintaining security. We are immersed in the worship of chaos, in the destruction of our national institutions and our home. Why are we angry with those who say that the Palestinians are incapable of managing their country’s affairs?” [Al-Hayat Al-Jadida (PA), May 14, 2007]

That’s because when someone on the outside says you have adopted a death cult (in your eloquent phrase, your “worship of chaos”), they are accused of being racists and Zionist propagandists. And as long as that serves your purpose (i.e., the brunt of the suffering from this death cult are the Israelis and — via Israeli self-defensive measures like the barrier — the Palestinian people), you have no problem with the results. Only when the fire licks at your own feet do you begin to speak “in all honesty.”

Columnists: People in Gaza Long for the Return of the Israeli Occupation

Papers reported that some people in Gaza even want the Israelis to return to the Strip. Faiz Abbas and Muhammad Awwad, journalists for the Israeli-Arab weekly Al-Sinara, wrote: “People in Gaza are hoping that Israel will reenter the Gaza Strip, wipe out both Hamas and Fatah, and then withdraw again… They also say that, since the [start of the] massacres, they [have begun to] miss the Israelis, since Israel is more merciful than [the Palestinian gunmen] who do not even know why they are fighting and killing one another. It’s like organized crime, [they said]. Once, we resisted Israel together, but now we call for the return of the Israeli army to Gaza.” [Al-Sinara (Nazareth), May 18, 2007]

Al-Hayat Al-Jadida columnist Yahya Rabah wrote: “When the national unity government was formed, I thought, ‘This will be a government of national salvation.’ If a government that includes Fatah, Hamas, other factions and independents associated with [various] factions has not been able to save the day, it means that no one can, unless Israel decides that its army should intervene. Then it will invade [the Gaza Strip], kill and arrest [people] – but this time not as an occupying [force] but as an international peace-keeping force. Look what we have come to, how far we have deteriorated, and what we have done to ourselves.” [Al-Hayat Al-Jadida (PA), May 15, 2007]

Palestinian journalist Majed Azzam wrote: “We should have the courage to acknowledge the truth… The [only] thing that prevents the chaos and turmoil in Gaza from spreading to the West Bank is the presence of the Israeli occupation [in the West Bank]… [as opposed to] its absence from the Gaza Strip.” [Al-Risala (Gaza), May 14, 2007]

Bassem Al-Nabris, a Palestinian poet from Khan Younis in the Gaza Strip, wrote: “If a there was a referendum in the Gaza Strip [on the question of] ‘would you like the Israeli occupation to return?’ half the population would vote ‘yes’… But in practice, I believe that the number of those in favor is at least 70%, if not more - [a figure] much higher than is assumed by the political analysts and those who follow [events]. For the million and a half people living in this small region, things have [simply] gone too far - in practice, not just as a metaphor. [It did not begin] with the internal conflicts, but even earlier, in the days of the previous Palestinian administration, which was corrupt and did not give the people even the tiniest [ray of] hope. The fundamentalist forces which came into power [after it] also promised change and reform, but [instead, people] got a siege, with no security and no [chance of] making a living… If the occupation returns, at least there will be no civil war, and the occupier will have a moral and legal obligation to provide the occupied people with employment and food, which they now lack.

Note the phrase “in practice not in metaphor.” This is a Palestinian poet, whose stock in trade is metaphor. He knows the difference.

The standard response to the Israeli apologetic that their occupation was not harsh, and that Palestinian standards of living under their authority rose higher than Arab standards of living in Arab-ruled states, is generally met among progressives with a scornful dismissal about “white man’s burden” and “condescension” when what the Palestinians want is “dignity.” The presumptions behind this dismissal are the classic PCP “reasoning” that: a) they would get “dignity” under Arab rule, and b) they all want their dignity more than economic well-being — indeed they are so brave and committed that they’ll sacrifice their well-being for the “dignity” of “national self-determination.” Here we see that a) economic well-being is highly prized by the vast majority, and b) they had more “dignity” under Israeli occupation.

Suggestions in the Palestinian Media for Resolving the Crisis

Calls for a New Intifada – This Time Against the Warring Factions

The clashes between Fatah and Hamas prompted several figures and columnists to propose radical solutions, including foreign intervention and a popular uprising. Executive Committee Secretary Yasser Abd Rabbo called on the Palestinians “to launch a popular uprising and organize [popular] activities pressuring the two sides to stop the [mutual] clashes in Gaza.” [Al-Quds (Jerusalem), May 21, 2007]

The chances of such an “uprising” even getting off the ground much less succeeding are nil. The only reason the two “Intifadas” against Israel lasted so long was because the Israelis would not be (anywhere near) as ruthless as the Arabs in repressing it. (In the first intifada, there were protests in Egypt which were quelled with machine guns — Napoleon’s famous, “whiff of grapeshot.”) Rabbo, former Minister of Communications, and hence responsible (among others) for giving voice to the genocidal hatreds of Hamas, here seems to believe his own mythology of the intifada. Once again mythical memories of the past render one impotent in thinking about the future.

Senior PA official and Al-Ayyam columnist Ali Al-Khalili wrote: “We are not insane. There are nine million Palestinians, and we will not be swept up in the madness of several hundred suicidal extremists among us, who are [heading] for a great nakba, after which there will be no rehabilitation, no [Palestinian] people, no Palestinian cause, and not a single inch of Palestine left. Our only option is to [go out] on the streets and announce that we refuse to take leave of our senses, of our reason and of our determination to deal with the mother of all nakbas before it is too late, and before history sweeps us all into the void of oblivion and death.” [Al-Ayyam (PA), May 17, 2007]

There’s something fascinating in all this. On the one hand, al-Khalili thinks in terms of the “people’s will” when his own PA has long represented precisely the imposition of that “will” on the Palestinian people: as in all “prime divider” societies, the vast majority are subject to the dominion and manipulation of a small elite. The suicidal turn in Palestinian society dates back a long way… perhaps to their decisions before and after the Naba in 1948, certainly to October 2000 and their “Al Aqsa Intifada.” But back then, of course, they could blame their behavior on the Israelis. On the other hand, faced with their own anarchic lust, and afraid (unfortunately not realistically) on Western opinion abandoning them, all of a sudden they get self-critical and realize they must level up.

Al-Hayat Al-Jadida columnist Mounir Abu Rizek wrote: “Why shouldn’t all the pens and all the media platforms be used to rally the people and call them [to launch] a new intifada that will overthrow those who are attempting to steal their dream, their blood, and the future of their children – sometimes in the name of Allah and sometimes in the name of the homeland?” [Al-Hayat Al-Jadida (PA), May 20, 2007]

Because you Palestinians have embraced these people for so long that, now that you realize what they’ve done to you, you are in their death grip.

Calls to Deploy an Arab or International Force in Gaza

Dr. Riad Malki, director of the Panorama Center in Jerusalem, wrote: “Ceasefire agreements between political leaders will not end the internal fighting among the Palestinians; nor will [the conflict] be decided on the battlefield… The only option is not the return of the Israeli occupation, as some people who have lost their faith in nationalism are hoping… Nor do we have the option of letting the internal conflict continue… [The only option] is the intervention of an Arab rescue force.” [Al-Ayyam (PA), May 20, 2007]

The Arabs come in to assure law and order? Talk about from the frying pan to the fire… Note also how the call for a return of the Israelis is seen as a loss of faith in “nationalism.” That’s the “nationalism” of pride, not reality. It’s precisely those Arab regimes who have urged you constantly to build up your culture of violence, whose “nationalism” has used you as victim-sacrifices.

Al-Hayat columnist Maher Othman recommended “accepting the suggestion of Italian Foreign Minister Massimo D’Alema to send [international] peace-keeping forces to Gaza, should the Palestinian government ask for help in ending the internal fighting.” [Al-Quds (Jerusalem), May 19, 2007]

And what if the UN were to come in… would they change the teachings of hatred in the schools?

Columnist: DividePalestinianTerritories Between Fatah and Hamas

Saleh Al-Qallab, a former Jordanian minister and a columnist for Al-Sharq Al-Awsat, suggested what he called a “crazy idea”: The PA should limit its control to the West Bank, and leave the Gaza Strip to Hamas. He wrote:

    Top-ranking Palestinian officials are calling for a divorce not only between Fatah and Hamas, which cannot keep any of their mutual agreements, but between the West Bank and Gaza as well… Some who have reached the pinnacle of despair and frustration have proposed a crazy idea: that the PA should leave the Gaza Strip and retire to the West Bank, leaving Hamas to establish its duchy in Gaza in its own way and according to its own aspirations… Fatah will have to make do with the West Bank… and leave Hamas to deal alone with the crisis in Gaza. Eventually, [Hamas] will find itself in conflict with the entire Palestinian people.” [Al-Sharq Al-Awsat (London), May 24, 2007]

Ironic. That divorce is what more and more Israelis have sought since the collapse of Oslo. But, as the black humor has it, the Palestinians respond: “You can’t divorce me, you’re still beating me.” Good luck to the Palestinians of the West Bank. They are saddled with this tragedy not only because they’ve been pursuing it (unconsciously) with their pathological hatred of Israel, but the rails have been greased every step of the way by a “progressive” Western body of public opinion, that confirmed and amplified their suicidal strategies by believing that all this was “Israel’s fault.”

If I sound pessimistic about this round of Palestinian self-criticism and reckoning, it’s not because I wish the Palestinians ill. I, as a proponent of civil society, recognize that the only way to have a durable peace is if the Palestinians can also have a successful civil society. In the newly “honest” remarks that begin to appear, however, I still see far too many elements of the demonizing, scapegoating, conspiratorial mentality that has doomed this unhappy people to misery for so long. If I express great skepticism about them being saved by either fellow Arabs, the UN/world community, or even an Israeli re-invasion, it’s because no one will take on the toxic waste-dump that the Palestinian elites, with their cult of death, the perversion of Allah’s will, their obsessive scapegoating and demonizing of Israel, have created.

Can I offer a solution? This is the best I can think of as a genuinely effective direction.

  • The Palestinians need to look deeply into the mirror, and begin to adopt the mindset and educational approach that will allow them to achieve not dominion but peaceful co-existence. What the current violence reveals, searingly, is that the really merciless forces in this conflict arise from the black heart of “Palestinian resistance,” which never sought the good of the Palestinians except through taking vengeance on the Israelis. Until the larger implications of these brief flashes of self-critical insight are achieved, nothing of lasting effect can begin to work in this tragic culture.
  • The West needs to stop supporting toxic Palestinian narratives and start urging them to dismantle the teachings of hatred, recognize that if they can’t acknowledge the Israeli “other,” they will not be able to recognize their own “others,” and begin the painful reckoning whereby they begin to assume responsibility for their lives. This is not easy (although a lot less violent than the solution of some Gazans that Israel should reenter the Gaza Strip and wipe out both Hamas and Fatah). It will take a systematic change of heart in the West, so that our MSM and our feckless intellectuals can start to hold the ugly mirror up to these people rather than the Wonderland Looking Glass whereby they are the innocent victims of vicious Israelis.

Good luck to us all.

23 Responses to 70% of Gazans Wish Israel would Re-Occupy : The Karma of Hatred Comes Home to Roost

  1. 70% of Gazans Wish Israel would Re-Occupy : The

  2. Eliyahu says:

    I have posted on my blog a short item quoting from a Gazan Arab journalist who also mentions that many of his fellow Gazan Arabs want Israeli rule to return to Gaza.

    http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2007/06/arabs-in-gaza-want-israel.html

  3. Richard Landes says:

    fp had difficulty posting (as am i):

    i have an ambivalent reaction to this:

    otoh, i am wondering if in a certain (sad) sense the withdrawal from gaza was a rather “smart” move (dk if intended), sort of similar in a way to barak’s offer to arafat that was rejected. in both cases we ended up with violence,

    but it exposed the arab side for what it is for all the world to see.
    unfortunately the world refuses to see it, but maybe there is some effect.

    otoh, one has to remember the arabs are fickle as hell. they ask for help when they fuck up and when they get the help they go back and fuck up. [sounds like the Europeans -- comment RL]if israel is stupid enough to reoccupy, the gazans will turn on them in an
    instant and start from where they left. worse, they will blame them for any moves to correct the very problems for which they want them back.

    the root problem is that there is no self-criticism/correction in the
    arab/muslim world and therefore nothing that happens is their fault, always somebody else’s. and this is reinforced by the international community with racist paternalism and funds.

  4. Joanne says:

    “[When] the Bush administration pressured President Mahmoud Abbas into holding elections in the PA, they both knew that Hamas would win…Hamas [indeed] won, but it is designated in the U.S. and Europe as a terrorist organization, and thus the Bush administration achieved its aim. It boycotted the Palestinians…using Hamas’ [designation as] a terrorist organization as an excuse. Just as Fatah could not believe that it had lost its power, Hamas cannot believe that it had come into power, and both factions have thus played into the hands of the Palestinians’ enemies in the U.S. and Israel…”
    - Al-Hazan writing in the newspaper Al-Hayat

    This quote from the post above sounds a bit strange. How is it that Bush could know that Hamas would win, but Hamas and Fatah themselves could be surprised by the result? Does Al-Hazan mean to say that Bush knew MORE about the Palestinian voters than Hamas or Fatah did? And isn’t Mahmoud Abbas linked to Fatah? If he also knew that Hamas would win, how is it that his Fatah colleagues didn’t know?

    The line of reasoning here seems be: “See who has benefited from a certain event. Those who benefited are definitely those who caused the event in the first place. They had to be, because they came out the winners.”

    Some Arabs used this logic just after 9/11. They said that the Israelis gained in world sympathy or at least American sympathy since 9/11 happened, so it stands to reason that it was the Israelis who caused it. Again: If you want to know who’s guilty, see who has gained.

    I saw this line of reasoning for the first time in, of all places, mystery novels. It was always a question of Motive, Means and Opportunity. So, figuring out who gained or who stood to gain was a great way of assessing the motive (“Was he mentioned in the will…?”). This is great for Agatha Christie, but it’s plain foolish when applied to the Real World, especially to the realm of international politics.

    This logic mis-identifies what other peoples or governments would construe as worthwhile benefits. For instance, no Israeli would see the deaths of thousands of Americans as an acceptable price to pay for a public relations boost. And, though I detest Bush, I think that the idea that he’d want a warlike government in Gaza just so he can oppose the Palestinians is silly. It corresponds to no US foreign-policy goal that I’m aware of. It’s way too Machiavellian. It’s a big stretch.

    This logic also misunderstands what governments are capable of in the world. On a trip to Morocco last fall, I met a woman who insisted that the US government must’ve caused 9/11. Why? Because the American government is very powerful, so it is impossible that it wouldn’t know everything that goes on. If it wanted to stop the 9/11 attacks, it could have. It didn’t, so it must have caused them. The US government, in her view, was omniscient and omnipotent. It can do or see everything it wants. No room for messy realities, no room for mistakes and bureaucratic foul-ups, or unintended consequences or forces beyond one’s control. Not in this woman’s view.

    Of course, the “trap” referred to by Al-Hazan was no trap at all. It was only the consequence of Hamas’ election and policies. Al-Hazan doesn’t seem to understand that not all consequences are foreseen or caused on purpose.

  5. Richard Landes says:

    you have spotted the inconsistency, but you seem to think you’re dealing with a rational argument.

    this is classic conspiracy thinking, especially the 20-20 hindsight. take for example the reaction to the JFK airport terrorist ring over at Daily Kos (hattip LGF):

    After dismissing all the terror plots discovered before they happened as US govt staged conspiracies, the Ghost of Godwin notes:

    I knew there’d been plenty of stupid shit busts like this over the last few years, but really…how dumb to you have to be to believe the U.S. government at this point? The U.S. government has ZERO credibility. FDA–failing to protect U.S. consumers, FEMA–catastrophic failure in New Orleans, Iraq War–lies upon lies to get Americans to launch an illegal war of agression, 9-11 — failure to prevent what anyone with a lick of sense could see coming for years (ask me why I wasn’t surprised that day–shocked by the massive slaughter, but not the attack), Economy–govt economic figures distorted and made essentially useless, i.e. inflation figures, unemployment data, etc., etc., etc….

    Now notice how on the one hand, 9-11 was completely predictable, but on the other, how anything the govt catches in advance is invented.

    this lies at the core of paranoid conspiracy theory which, these days, seems to be seizing a hold of the “anti-war” left with a vengeance.

  6. Michael B says:

    It would be interesting to know what, more completely and more decisively, is reflected in that 70%. With their history of summary executions and other cullings there has rarely if ever been an opportunity for dissidents and those interested in a more healthy, a more practical and comity oriented outlook to express themselves politically/effectively.

    It’s also “interesting” how western outlets report what is going on in Gaza between Hamas and Fatah, it’s given an almost passive voice, as if it’s to be expected (no accountability, no pointed score-keeping) whereas Israel’s actions (think of Andrea Koppel’s disingenuousness – virtually a form of mendacity – in the way she helped to initiate the Jenin reportage) are given a hyper-active, aggressive, voice.

    A poignant contrast, yet only one of the varied and sundry double standards applied. Nirenstein, in Terror: The New Anti-Semitism and the War Against the West renders some incredibly solid reportage and analysis, both in relation to Israel and vis-a-vis the U.S. as well, some well grounded reporting and insightful commentary.

  7. fp/http://fallofknowledgeandreason.blogspot.com/ says:

    richard,

    you must admit though that the lies and incompetence of the bushies did not nothing but feed into the left’s lunatic conspiracies.

  8. RL says:

    yes, i do have to admit it. it’s not unlike (altho not at all the same) as the israeli’s treatment of al durah (silence, refusal to fight back), feeding the argument that they’re guilty.

    the interesting thing is that for the conspiracy folks, bush is at once an incompetent bumbling fool and a diabolic schemer who can, in 9 months, pull of 9-11 without a leak.

  9. fp/http://fallofknowledgeandreason.blogspot.com/ says:

    michael,

    the calls for israelis to come back should not be taken too seriously. pals usually react to current circumstances, they don’t think about cause and effect.

    thus, they elected hamas without realizing what that will bring. now they pay the price and they still don’t, they just want israel to solve the immediate problem. i can guarantee you that if israel were to go back, they would turn around and blame the israelis for every problem they would run into.

    i reiterate: that culture has self-destruction built-in, and it would have collapsed had it not been for its preservation by the west.

  10. fp/http://fallofknowledgeandreason.blogspot.com/ says:

    richard,

    yeah, but bushies kept lying on a lot of matters, often to hide incompetence and even conspiracies (see the firing of the a. general. israelis did not do that.

    conspiracy folks are not very knowledgeable and able to reason. if they were, they would not come up with such conspiracies in the first place.

  11. Lagenfeldt says:

    Want to hear something really scary? Things are only going to get worse in Gaza and the WB, when the modern generation of Palestinian schoolchildren come of age.

    These children are only 8 or 9 and already nearly the most bloodthirsty creatures on the entire earth. Palestinians have created their own hell on earth.

  12. Michael B says:

    fp,

    I certainly agree with the self-destruction being built-in, but mine wasn’t a naive statement, it was more simply a statement of interest. For example there have occasionally been some dissidents within Pali culture and life, though often enough paying for their dissent with their lives. So whether it’s merely 5% or 10% of the population that would be interested in more stable and more representative forms of governance, or 30% or more, I simply don’t know. What I do know is that the counter-productive and autocratic forms of governance they’ve had, essentially from the 1920′s or 30′s and forward, is precisely that, autocratic, counter-productive in terms of stability and comity, and has been used to cull virtually any and all dissenting factions – a la Ho Chi Minh and so many others – that might have begun to lend more stability to that culture if their voices had not been summarily executed and brutally suppressed within that society.

    So, it wasn’t really a naive statement, only a statement of piqued interest. I was a bit surprised the figure was as high as 70%, though no doubt some or many of those are looking for a temporary reprieve only. And I do understand the hopeless sentiment as well. Still, my attitude is to avoid cynicism and any tout court rejection of hope while also avoiding naivete and credulity; a constant challenge.

  13. Eliyahu says:

    Michael, Arab/Muslim culture in its own right is violence prone, destructive, etc., as we know and can see and red about everyday. Yet, the Arabs in Israel were encouraged, first by the British as early as 1920, to perpetrate violence, pogroms, etc., against Jews and Israel. The US encouraged the Arabs in this way before the 6 Day War. And then it became a EU policy. The Communists were encouraging Arab nationalism way back, and nowadays they too favor Islamic jihad.
    http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2005/10/bolsheviks-for-jihad-genocide-stalins.html

    So Israel’s problems are not only with the Arabs. Look at Condi Rice’s recent demands on Israel [take down the check posts that save our lives, allow free travel between Gaza and Judea-Samaria, etc].

  14. Michael B says:

    Yes, I agree with that, it’s profoundly cultural. Too though, in considering the 70%, again emphasizing I’m merely expressing a interest, another way of looking at it, another dimension of the overall complex, is to consider the individual vs. the tribe, the clan, the sect, the Ummah, etc.

    That presents it’s own nettlesome problems, I’m well aware, but it remains an aspect of that overall complex nonetheless, otherwise there would never be dissenters among Arabs and Palis more specifically.

    Still, I completely agree with you in what you’ve stated, though was not particularly aware of how the U.S. encouraged Arab violence prior to the Six Day War and also wasn’t aware of Condi’s recent overture, has she actually suggested all the checkpoints be eliminated? If so, easy for her to say ….

  15. fp\http://fallofknowledgeandreason.blogspot.com/ says:

    michael,

    i understand.

    i would not trust that 70% though, and it would fluctuate wildly. and opiniion is very fickle in the arab world.

    it’s hard for me to believe that the gazans did not know what they were electing: hamas was in their middle, part of the community. there was an element of anti-fatah corruption and no alternative, but if they really did not figure hamas out then they have a more serious problem than i thought.

  16. Richard Landes says:

    they have a more serious problem than you thought. they life in a world of dreampalaces (not the least of which is their idea of heaven for which they’ll slaughter innocents to get in).

    palestinians have lived so long with fantastic legends (which our “progressives” constantly affirm in an effort to be nice), that they don’t know which way is up. i suspect that the “anti-corruption” hamas vote was less impt to them (than it was to our pundits), than the promise of destroying israel, which made them feel strong. the withdrawal from gaza was a great “victory” for zealot violence, which hamas continued with their qassam attacks.

    once again, palestinians choose the zero-sum of war, and when they lose, they yell stab-in-the-back, conspiracy.

    the pro-israel sentiment is, as some have already pointed out in this thread, as unreliable as anything else that we hear from the palestinian street. were the israelis to return they’d start seething about the “occupation” in a minute.

    until they get serious with their introspection, they go nowhere but down. ironic — by pursuing their honor-shame imperatives in pathological ways, they leave themselves no way out but self-criticism. deep.

  17. Eliyahu says:

    Michael B, here’s an audio item about the “benchmark” plan.

    http://www.israelnewsradio.net/benchmarks_palestinian_peace.html

    Apparently, the “benchmarks” plan was first published in HaArets. See the end of the 4th paragraph of this post for some comments on the plan. The plan does call for removing many checkposts, unhindered transit for any PLO operative between Gaza and Judea-Samaria, etc.
    http://arablinks.blogspot.com/2007/05/why-cheney-didnt-mention-palestine.html

  18. fp\http://fallofknowledgeandreason.blogspot.com/ says:

    rl,

    having lived in israel for 18 years i am the last one you should explain palestinians/arabs to.

    what i meant was that it is very unlikely — to put it politely — that they did not know who they were electing.

    and it’s not just that they lived with the myth, they have been indoctrinated with it since childhood.

    that’s why introspection is not likely, and neither is a solution to the conflict, because the generations that are coming online are child-jihadis who are probably worse than the current ones. that culture has a built-in self-destruction mechanism.

    the problem is that they would be going down, except that the west and the arab states fund them and prevent them from collapsing, not to mention reinforcing their fantasies of getting rid of israel.
    if they did not give up for so many years will they give up now, when the whole world has bought their propaganda and is rabidly anti-israel?

    add to this the iranian nukes, the decline of the us and the crisis of leadership in israel and things look quite dangerous.

  19. Michael B says:

    Yes, I agree with all that’s been suggested. I was doing some “scratch pad” thinking; thinking “out loud.” I certainly was not assumming overly much about that 70%.

  20. Joanne says:

    It’s funny, I just read New York Times op-ed today by Thomas Friedman in which he says that a Palestinian pollster, Khalil Shikaki, told him that his polls show that most Palestinians don’t blame Hamas for the troubles in Gaza. The pollster told him that they blame Israel and America, because they withheld funds from the Hamas government.

    Hmmmm. Of course, this is a Palestinian-run polling organization, so maybe there is a slight tilt here. But I found it curious that Friedman hadn’t apparently heard of the 70% figure in the MEMRI survey.

    Looking at the New York Times and at the internet sites I’ve been frequenting is like looking into two alternative universes. Actually, both these polling results could be right. A lot is determined by who’s asking the questions, under what circumstances, and how the questions are worded. But it seems to me that facts that are heralded and spread around by one “universe” are ignored or unknown by the other. Strange.

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