Game Theory and Our Opponents: Gauging Levels of Maturity

MEMRI offers a translation of a Friday sermon by Ahmad Khatami of the Iranian Assembly of Experts, which aired on Channel 1, Iranian TV on June 22, 2007. It’s quite revealing in its immaturity [in italics]. But note how often these playground taunters use tropes that are indistinguishable from those of the radical left (PCP2) in the West [in bold].

TO VIEW THIS CLIP.

Ahmad Khatami: “Unfortunately, whenever negotiations begin, America’s psychological warfare begins as well. Bush recently said, in one of his stupid and foolish statements: ‘We are considering all options vis-a-vis Iran.’ Thus, he hinted that a military option was possible. He should know that the Iranian people is also considering all options vis-a-vis America, including a strong punch in America’s teeth.”

[...]

On the one hand, America and the European countries talk about democracy and the rule of the people, yet on the other hand, we see that when, in Palestine, a government elected by the people came to power, in elections supervised by international monitors… From the very first day of this government in office, no European country supported it. They kept putting a spoke in its wheels, and in recent months, one could sense the signs of a coup d’etat. Weapons kept flowing in to the compromising pro-American group [Fatah]. Eventually, they staged a coup d’etat and overthrew the Hamas government. It is strange that they would not accept a government elected by the people, but the European countries and their allies immediately recognized and supported the coup d’etat government [of Fatah]. However, they must know that double standards will not benefit them at all. With their own hands, they have sowed the seeds of resistance, and of a new Intifada in the occupied lands. Allah willing, this Intifada will rub the noses of Israel and the compromisers in the mood.

[...]

The old, decrepit, and colonialist English regime presents itself as the defender of human rights, yet it awards a medal to such a wretched, bankrupt man [Salman Rushdie], who has offended the sacred values of more than 1.5 billion Muslims. Are these your human rights?

Crowd chants: “Death to England.

“Death to England.

“Death to England.”

Ahmad Khatami: “Is this your civilization? This old, decrepit government of England should know that the days of its imperialistic aspirations are gone, and today it is considered America’s branded slave. They must also know that the wave of Islamic revival in the world has begun, whether they like it or not. Under these circumstances, awarding England’s highest honor to a wretched man, who lacks any talent whatsoever… He is not considered a prominent novelist or author. They awarded him this medal only because he cursed the Prophet. Under these circumstances, awarding a medal to such a man entails a conflict with one and a half billion Muslims throughout the world, and you will gain nothing from this. The one thing that will happen is that you will see the Islamic world roaring together. In Islamic Iran, this revolutionary fatwa of Imam Khomeini still exists. It is unchangeable and with God’s grace, it must be carried out.”

Given that overlap, it leads one to wonder just how much of Islamist aggression is underwritten by leftist folly.

13 Responses to Game Theory and Our Opponents: Gauging Levels of Maturity

  1. fp\http://fallofknowledgeandreason.blogspot.com/ says:

    oh, yeah. the west is mature. right.

    http://www.israpundit.com/2006/?p=3602#comment-99329

  2. shinseries says:

    Sure, they are immature, but some of the critique of American foreign policy is valid. The foreign aid to Fatah and not Hamas is pure folly.

    Nevermind that foreign aid to the government only serves to prop up their corrupt regimes, what elections have shown is that the Palestinian people are for the destruction of Israel. What part of that makes you want to give any money to any Palestinian government?

  3. fp\http://fallofknowledgeandreason.blogspot.com/ says:

    the arabs are immature because they dk any better. what is the west’s excuse for its abysmal suicidal policies that are responsible for supporting and reinforcing their immaturity?

  4. shinseries says:

    Lots of people in the West want to rub their moral superiority in your face without giving any thought to the negative consequences and the childish behavior it promotes.

    They use exactly your argument that the Arabs don’t know any better to argue that we need to coddle them. They want to show off their moral superiority by send over money to “help those poor people.”

  5. Richard Landes says:

    i guess i’d answer shinseries and fp with a combo of

    a) shinseries’ point about the attraction of the “moral high ground” (it was the phrase i heard once too often from my “leftist” friend — “this time Israel’s lost the moral high ground” — which first alerted me to the operation of moral schadenfreude.)

    and

    b) an incredibale willingness to grant credence to what (eg) the palestinians tell us about themselves (secular, national liberation, green line occupation, we want peace).

    as a result, because we respond to their discourse, rather than insist they level up (ie, who wd challenge Talal on al Durah?), because we don’t challenge them but engage them in their game, we do incredibly stupid things.

    and all the while we (the “left,” the european intelligentsia, the self-critical West), maintain the (suicidal)] martyr’s moral high ground. we are beyond fighting, but we understand and approve of them, with their astounding need to kill israelis. of course they wouldn’t do it to us. they just want a decent life, like the rest of us.

    and while it may be true, somewhere in the tortured soul of palestinian people, betrayed by their cousins, abused by their own alpha males, fed malevolent hatreds with their mother’s milk, and treated like moral cretins by a sympathetic world… while some, even many, may really do want a normal life in a peaceful, prosperous society where most people have a decent chance to enjoy the fruits of their labor — at this point, their political culture is so far gone, that it will be a generation before they should even think of trying to acceed to statehood.

    and we, nations of a world that wants to encourage civil society, need to know how to say no.

  6. Michael B says:

    “and while it may be true, somewhere in the tortured soul of palestinian people, betrayed by their cousins, abused by their own alpha males, fed malevolent hatreds with their mother’s milk, and treated like moral cretins by a sympathetic world… while some, even many, may really do want a normal life in a peaceful, prosperous society where most people have a decent chance to enjoy the fruits of their labor — at this point, their political culture is so far gone, that it will be a generation before they should even think of trying to acceed to statehood.”

    Yes, succinct enough and a particularly telling summary. Or at least it should be, since it’s all more or less obvious as well – excepting for that point (b) above, which mirage-like apparitions tragically end up being so basic, so critical, and therein representative of a primary theater in the war, the ideological and media driven aspects of the war, made so in large part due to the inadequate – the poorly informed and more malignant – grounding of so many among the hoi polloi, which informs the greater part of public opinion, the archimedean “point.”

  7. fp\http://fallofknowledgeandreason.blogspot.com/ says:

    rl,

    exactly and it’s too damn obvious.

    we need to know how to say no, but we don’t.

    what exactly will cause the yes-sayers to say no? knowledge and reason? if that were possible, they should have done it a long time ago, given the obviousness. but if the yes fills a psychological need, then knowledge and reason won’t do it.

    about the only thing that’ll do it is a huge shock to their system. unfortunately, by the time it comes it’ll probably be too late.

    and as far as i am concerned, they’ll get what they deserve.

  8. Bruce Kodish says:

    “The obscure we see eventually: the completely apparent takes longer.”
    –Edward R. Murrow

  9. RL says:

    fp, thanks for the links, but a brief discussion of what they are would help enormously for the reader.

  10. fp\http://fallofknowledgeandreason.blogspot.com/ says:

    How about this one:

    Olmert’s maturity: turning israel into a failed state.

    http://the-american-israeli-patriot.blogspot.com/2007/06/olmert-to-israeli-citizens-youre-on.html

  11. rickowen says:

    You ask the question:

    Given that overlap, it leads one to wonder just how much of Islamist aggression is underwritten by leftist folly.

    My question would be: How much leftist folly is underwritten by aggressive Islamists?

    We know about the funding of mosques and madrassahs by the Saudi’s. We know about the various Saudi prince’s and their maganamity towards various schools and institutions (including the feckless Carter and his “peace center”) associated with Islam and the Middle East. Where else is their generosity bestowed, but where their presence is not as obvious, particularly in leftist causes that are not tied directly to the Middle East? Any thoughts?

  12. Eliyahu says:

    Rick, I think that your question is in place. But it’s not the kind of thing we can find out without doing some digging. However, you’re right for sure if you put your insight on the UK. There is or was a “Trotskyist” faction there, the so-called Healeyites [Healyites?]. Vanessa redgrave the actress was part of that group at one time. It came out some time ago that the leader, one Gerry Healey [healy?] was getting $$$ from Arab sources for his supposed “revolutionary” activity.

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