Toxic Narcissism of the Year Award: Islamic Conference Declares Islamophobia and Criticism of Islam Greatest Terrorism

I know this is a couple of months old, but Joshuapundit just alerted me to its existence, and I couldn’t resist posting on it. Note that the journalist reports the results of the conference without the slightest trace of irony or embarrassment. Now either we’re dealing with people so clueless that they don’t realize what fools they sound like, or, people who think think we’re such fools that if they keep a straight face, we’ll believe them. Come to think of it, that could be a “both… and…”

‘Islamophobia Worst Form of Terrorism’
Siraj Wahab, Arab News

Saudi Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Dr. Nizar ibn Obaid Madani gestures during his meeting with OIC Secretary-General Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu in Islamabad on Wednesday. (AN photo by Siraj Wahab)

ISLAMABAD, 17 May 2007 — Foreign ministers of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) yesterday expressed grave concern at the rising tide of discrimination and intolerance against Muslims, especially in Europe and North America. “It is something that has assumed xenophobic proportions,” they said in unison.

Speaking at a special brainstorming session on the sidelines of the 34th Islamic Conference of Foreign Ministers (ICFM), the foreign ministers termed Islamophobia the worst form of terrorism and called for practical steps to counter it.

The ministers described Islamophobia as a deliberate defamation of Islam and discrimination and intolerance against Muslims. “This campaign of calumny against Muslims resulted in the publication of the blasphemous cartoons depicting Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in a Danish newspaper and the issuance of the inflammatory statement by Pope Benedict XVI,” they said. During a speech in Germany last year, the Pope quoted a 14th Century Christian emperor who said the Prophet had brought the world only “evil and inhuman” things. The Pope’s remarks aroused the anger of the whole Islamic world.

“The increasingly negative political and media discourse targeting Muslims and Islam in the United States and Europe has made things all the more difficult,” the foreign ministers said. “Islamophobia became a source of concern, especially after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, but the phenomenon was already there in Western societies in one form or the other,” they pointed out. “It gained further momentum after the Madrid and London bombings. The killing of Dutch film director Theo van Gogh in 2004 was used in a wicked manner by certain quarters to stir up a frenzy against Muslims,” the ministers pointed out. Van Gogh had made a controversial film about Muslim culture.

The OIC foreign ministers deplored the misrepresentation in the Western media of Islam and Muslims in the context of terrorism. “The linkage of terrorists and extremists with Islam in a generalized manner is unacceptable,” they said. “This is further inciting negative sentiments and hatred in the West against Muslims,” they said. The ministers also pointed out that whenever the issue of Islamophobia was discussed in international forums, the Western bloc, particularly some members of the European Union, tried to avoid discussing the core issue and instead diverted the attention from their region to the situation of non-Muslims and human rights in the OIC member states.

Like the victims of real terrorism? Probably not. The unhappiness of the Islamic ministers with European Union members is a clear indication that elaborate sycophancy is not enough.

The foreign ministers said prejudices against Islam were not helping the situation. “Because of Islamophobia, millions of Muslims in the Western countries, many of whom were already underprivileged in their societies for a variety of reasons, are further alienated and targeted by hatred and discrimination.”

The selective application of the existing legal frameworks and anti-discrimination and anti-blasphemy laws in Western countries also came in for criticism. “They are being applied in a selective manner when the victims are Muslims,” the ministers said.

The ministers also noted the many praiseworthy initiatives to bring together the West and the Muslim world such as the EU-OIC Forum of 2002, Dialogue Among Civilizations, Alliance of Civilizations and various other interfaith dialogue meetings. “However, it remains a fact that anti-Islamic sentiments are being fanned in the West with the implicit and explicit support of racist anti-immigrant and ultra-right political parties and certain media outlets.”

The ministers agreed that in Europe there was a need to enhance efforts to promote greater understanding and awareness of Islam. “In the Muslim world, endeavors have to be made to dispel misperceptions about the West and to promote democracy, human rights and good governance.”

According to OIC’s European observers, the taking over of the European Union presidency by Slovenia in 2008 will augur well for Muslims. “Because Slovenia has declared that intercultural dialogue will be among the first four priorities of its EU presidency, it has accordingly set up a task force to implement the ‘European Year of Intercultural Dialogue 2008’ program.” The OIC observers said the Slovenian minister of foreign affairs had already invited the OIC secretary-general to Ljubljana before or during the Slovenian EU presidency to discuss possible joint projects.

At the end of the session it was decided to shortlist reputable Muslim and non-Muslim think tanks, academics and NGOs in the US and UK and other leading European countries for cooperation in monitoring and countering anti-Islam campaigns. The ministers said Muslim think tanks and NGOs in the Western countries should be encouraged and urged to develop closer contacts with their non-Muslim counterparts and to remain engaged in regular contact and dialogue. They felt the international media should be properly cultivated to motivate them to be more responsible in carrying out their responsibilities.

When I was a kid, the anti-honor/shame ditty ran: “Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names can never hurt me.” These fellows still live in a world where names others call me are far more serious that your broken bones. I think that qualifies as the most primitive stage of moral thinking according to Lawrence Kohlberg: “What’s in it for me?” The fact that such infantile reflections can take place on the public stage by a collection of diplomats from Islamic nations, represents an indictment of the quality of discussion in the public sphere — not only are they ridiculously self-absorbed, but we, apparently, have difficulty saying, “grow up.”

14 Responses to Toxic Narcissism of the Year Award: Islamic Conference Declares Islamophobia and Criticism of Islam Greatest Terrorism

  1. calzone says:

    “When I was a kid, the anti-honor/shame ditty ran: “Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names can never hurt me.” These fellows still live in a world where names others call me are far more serious that your broken bones. I think that qualifies as the most primitive stage of moral thinking according to Lawrence Kohlberg”

    How hypocritical. So anti-semitic speech is OK then, because it “does no harm”. I guess it only goes one way here, huh? There’s a pernicious and steady drumbeat of anti-Islamic rhetoric and demonization by the right, not just in this country but in Israel and Europe. The Nazi persecution of the Jews came about with the exact same kind of speech and propaganda being leveled at Muslims right now. The crap about spreading by the sword, debasement of women, condoning of violence, prophet pedophilia…all propaganda with one intent…to instigate violence against practitioners of Islam. The people that spread this dishonest venom would like nothing more than a permanent state of hate and fear like the kind that existed just after the 9/11 attacks, where innocent Muslims and even Hindu sikhs were being attacked and stabbed and shot randomly all across the nation. Shame.

  2. RL says:

    calzone, good to know you’re still there keeping me honest.

    i did have some second thoughts about citing that ditty since virulent anti-semitic speech is the proogue to genocidal violence. but you tear off in the opposite direction. so let me respond:

    I guess it only goes one way here, huh? There’s a pernicious and steady drumbeat of anti-Islamic rhetoric and demonization by the right, not just in this country but in Israel and Europe. The Nazi persecution of the Jews came about with the exact same kind of speech and propaganda being leveled at Muslims right now.

    okay, i’m going to ask you for references. and we have a specific measure of the problem. i claim that arab/muslim demonization of the jews, as evident in the translations at PMW and MEMRI are almost indistinguishable from Nazi hate-speech. you claim that it’s the demonization of the Arabs and Muslims that’s the Nazi-like problem, whereas i see most of the stuff the Muslims are (for example in this post) complaining about as valid criticism to which their extremely fragile egos respond with violence.

    please bring to my attention material in our mainstream media (understood largely to include NRO, Commentary, The National Interest) that even approaches the Muslim material for demonizing and inciting to racist violence.

    The crap about spreading by the sword, debasement of women, condoning of violence, prophet pedophilia…all propaganda with one intent…to instigate violence against practitioners of Islam.

    okay, i need a clarification. are you saying there are no significant elements in islam who believe and do these things (the normal meaning of “propaganda” as misinformation)? and if so, does that mean that you literally refuse to hear anything negative about islam no matter how true?

    The people that spread this dishonest venom would like nothing more than a permanent state of hate and fear like the kind that existed just after the 9/11 attacks, where innocent Muslims and even Hindu sikhs were being attacked and stabbed and shot randomly all across the nation. Shame.

    i’ve addressed this notion of dishonesty above and look forward to your answer. as to the “permanent state of hate and fear” that seems like a good description of many areas of the muslim world, with lots of violence as part of the picture. on the other hand, i think the americans behaved with remarkable restraint after 9-11. there was, as far as i know not “random stabbings… across the nation” but one case of the Sikh, and some cases of harrassment. in comparison with what the Dutch did in response to the stabbing of one person (attacks, burning of schools, etc), that’s not very much.

    and then, compare it to what Muslims do when the rumor that a Quran was flushed down the toilet hits, or the pope says they’re violent, or a newspaper publishes largely anodine cartoons about muhammad.

    please help me understand how you apply the same standards to both sides.

  3. shimshon says:

    I don’t think landes is saying that Islamaphobia is a good thing of even ok. Yes it exists in some circles but just as anti-Semitic speech is not the “worst” form of terror, neither is Islamaphobic. Real terror, where people are killed, is much worse than any type of speech that hurts someone’s feelings, no matter who it is directed against.

  4. Eliyahu says:

    First, RL, before getting to Pantsman [calzone], I ask whether we shouldn’t be thanking the Muslims for providing us with so much bizarre entertainment. They enable us to enjoy big bursts of laughter, while we’re weeping over our loved ones slaughtered in bomb attacks, Qassam rocket attacks, or loved ones held incomunicado by thugs spouting Nazi-like Judeophobia [for example: "The Jewish microbe is everywhere" - quoted in LeFigaro from a Hizbullah paper in 1987].

    It is indeed kind of Pantsman to tell us that
    “The Nazi persecution of the Jews came about with the exact same kind of speech and propaganda being leveled at Muslims right now.” So Pants acknowledges that hate “speech and propaganda” were directed against Jews, which led to the Holocaust. Now, Pants needs to acknowledge that Arabs and other Muslims [Chechens, Circassians, Bosnians] took part in the Holocaust. He needs to acknowledge that Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda circulated among Arabs & other Muslims before and during the Holocaust and ever since. He needs to honestly look at the cartoons of Jews appearing in Arab newspapers and then recognize that they are very similar to –if not worse than– the anti-Jewish Nazi cartoons [as Aryeh Stav argues in Peace, the Arab Caricature]. Then Pants needs to take notice of the Judeophobic books regularly published and republished in Arab lands, Pakistan, etc. Such books are: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Mein Kampf, the tracts of Mustafa Tlas on Jews drinking blood of non-Jews, etc. If Pants reads the Italian language, then he could read Carlo Panella’s instructive study Il ‘Complotto Ebraico’ [Torino 2005].

    Next, Pants gets annoyed by what he calls:
    The crap about spreading by the sword, debasement of women, condoning of violence, prophet pedophilia…

    Well, I can’t claim to have any eyewitness knowledge about Muhammad’s pedophilia. But those who write about it, refer to writings about Muhammad’s life in the Muslim tradition itself. On the other hand, as to spreading by the sword, just about a year ago, two journalists, Centanni & Wiig, were kidnapped in Gaza and declared in a video that they had converted to Islam while in captivity. Maybe they weren’t threatened by a sword, but maybe they felt threatened by other weapons.
    As to condoning of violence, maybe you ought to read the Quran. Check out Sura 9 verse 29 [verse numbers vary in some editions]. The Quran doesn’t merely “condone” violence, it PREACHES violence. This verse tells Muslims to make war on unbelievers [specifically Jews & Christians] until they are humbled and pay tribute. Meanwhile, we get frequent reports of the violent persecution of Copts in “moderate” Egypt. Are these reports –perhaps conveying merely the tip of the iceberg of persecution of dhimmis in Egypt– the invention of Islamophobic propaganda??

  5. fp says:

    rl,

    you’re a glutton for punishment, i guess. you engage somebody who deems “spreading by the sword, debasement of women, condoning of violence, prophet pedophilia [which khomeini introduced by law]” crap. yuckh.

    calzone and his ilk come by here and throw crap around, then disappear when they are taken to task and asked to address their crap or provide sources. yet you keep engaging them with evidence and logic, the very things they don’t and can’t respond to.

    this to me seems to be in the same category as the denial which is now characteristic of the west: the fact that we WANT the plebos to understand, or that it is important for them to understand does not negate that they do not and will not, which is quite obvious.

  6. calzone says:

    Interesting responses, perfectly in keeping with tradition here and elsewhere I’ve noticed. FP strokes the sites calves, looking up in adoration, eliyu does what eliyu always does, act lie a 12 yr old petulant brat, bringing zero to the table but the same tired lies and propaganda, so let’s get to the first response to my post.
    “okay, i’m going to ask you for references. and we have a specific measure of the problem. i claim that arab/muslim demonization of the jews, as evident in the translations at PMW and MEMRI are almost indistinguishable from Nazi hate-speech. you claim that it’s the demonization of the Arabs and Muslims that’s the Nazi-like problem, whereas i see most of the stuff the Muslims are (for example in this post) complaining about as valid criticism to which their extremely fragile egos respond with violence.”

    Allah preserve us, you’re challenging me for references on the widespread anti-Islamic repoting and bias in the media, including the net, the newspapers, the magazines, the television local and national news and movies? You gotta be kidding me. Why don’t you ask for references that the sky is blue? This proves to me that you’re dishonest. DISHONEST. No amount of reason or eveidence is going to sway you from your psyop campaign. That’s OK, I’m used to it, I see it all the time. But I won’t let it go past without pointing to the dishonesty and hypocrisy.

    “please bring to my attention material in our mainstream media (understood largely to include NRO, Commentary, The National Interest) that even approaches the Muslim material for demonizing and inciting to racist violence.”

    “The nation of Israel is pure and the Arabs are a nation of donkeys. They are an evil disaster, an evil devil, and a nasty affliction. The Arabs are donkeys and beasts. They want to take our girls. They are endowed with true filthiness. There is pure and there is impure and they are impure.”

    –Rabbi David Batzri, head of the Magen David Yeshiva in Jerusalem [Israeli newspaper Haaretz, March 21, 2006]

    “One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.”
    Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/reese/reese356.html

    “Consider the pernicious argument advanced by neoconservatives like Daniel Pipes and Martin Kramer. They point to surveys showing that a large majority of Arabs, or Palestinians, or whomever they happen to be targeting, support suicide bombings. They cite “ethnographic” research that supposedly documents an Arab “culture of violence.” They lead their auditors to the conclusion that militant attacks on Israeli and American targets are not carried out by defined individuals or groups for political reasons, but rather are expressions of an inherent cultural trait.

    This reasoning has been used to justify a whole slew of blatantly racist, anti-Arab measures by the U.S. and Israel: the collective punishment of the Palestinian people in retaliation for the acts of militant groups, the torture of prisoners at Abu Ghraib, and the detention without trial of Muslims in the U.S., to name a few.

    The fallacies are that the individual’s behavior is dictated by his ethnicity; and that the ethnic group can be held responsible for the behavior of individuals. Most of the genocidal violence of the last century was rooted in the allure of this sort of reasoning.”

    Andrew Schamess

    Many media outlets referred to the 9/11 terrorists simply as “Muslims,” which fueled stereotyping of Islam and did nothing to help stop the verbal and physical attacks taking place against Muslims in the U.S. at the time.

    In 1980, journalist Djelloul Marbrouk noted that the Arab in American television stands for “terrorism, hijack, intractability, sullenous, perverseness, cruelty, oil, sand, embargo, boycott, greed, bungling, comedic disunity, primitive torture, family feuds, and white slavery” (Shaheen, 1980, n.p.). Shaheen quotes Newsweek regarding the image of an Arab on television, “He is swarthy and bearded, rich and filthy, dabbling in dope smuggling and white slavery; swaddled in white robes, he carries a curved knife, rides a camel and abuses young boys.

    If this was the image before 9/11, things took a turn for the worse after the criminal attacks. Despite the fact that all Arab countries condemned the attacks, for the most part, voices communicated through the mass media still failed to differentiate between Arabs and Muslims, on one hand, and terrorists, on the other. Pintak (2006) reports on Eric Rouleau of Le Monde, who criticized the tendency to portray images of “Muslims praying, mosques or women in chadors to illustrate stories about extremism and terror” (p. 33-34). Pintak adds that after the events of 9/11, “the U.S. media immediately fell back on the prevailing—and stereotyped—narrative about Arabs and Muslims and reverted to its historic tendency to present the world, in Henry Kissinger’s words, as ‘a morality play between good and evil’”

    “Any human being with a heart rejects the killing of children, men, women, elderly people, and all innocent people. There will be victims from all nationalities. We are against killing Palestinians, and also killing Jews. Any religion forbids killing. What did the men and women and children who were killed do? It could’ve been your brother or your son or your father or your mother or your wife. This is not permissible under any religion.”

    September 12:

    “I or any Arab or Muslim cannot support barbaric, vengeful revenge like I saw yesterday. No, a thousand no to such naïve, idiotic, barbarian operations. If it were in my hands, it would kill every terrorist that had to do with this. My hearty condolences to the victims’ families.”

    This will only make life harder for Arabs, here (in the Arab world) and in the States. An advisory was issued to Arabs in the States to stop talking to each other in Arabic on the streets, and Muslims are facing a lot of hassles already. I’m sure this was not done by Arabs or Muslims, but it will only cause more mistreatment to Arabs.

    http://jcmc.indiana.edu/vol12/issue3/abdulla.html

    Changes in the public’s perception of Muslims, Arabs, and related groups are manifesting on the streets and in offices. In the months immediately following 9-11, hate crimes against Muslims shot up to 34 times their pre-attack levels, according to FBI reports. The Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC), based in Washington, D.C., reported that hate crimes against people believed to be of Middle Eastern descent increased 40 times before dropping to about double the former rate—and that rate has held steady.

    Reports of workplace bias have stayed consistently high. Complaints to the U.S. Equal Opportun-ity Employment Commission of discrimination against Muslim workers have doubled. Reports to the ADC of employment discrimination against Arab Americans quadrupled in 2002.

    http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0328,pyne,45400,1.html

    After the horrific attack on September 11th, the American Muslim community braced for the backlash. Unfortunately, they got it.

    Government leaders appealed for calm, with President Bush reminding people that “we should not hold one who is a Muslim responsible for an act of terror.”

    anger and ignorance won out in many places across the country and the world. Indeed, the ignorance was so appalling that innocent people from other faiths and cultures were attacked merely for looking Middle Eastern or Muslim.

    A full report of backlash incidents has been compiled and published by the Council on American Islamic Relations. They documented 1717 incidents of violence, threats, and bias in the first six month alone.

    http://islam.about.com/library/weekly/aa091401a.htm

    Very few people are aware that eight or more Americans were killed in the days and weeks after the terrorist attacks, as a result of Sept. 11th linked hate backlash.

    While the families of the Sept. 11 victims qualify for funding and public support, the families of victims killed because they were either Arab, Muslim or because they simply “looked Middle Eastern” have gotten scant attention. Scant attention, that is, from everyone but a petite Jewish woman who lives in a suburb of Chicago who believes the post-Sept. 11 backlash victims deserve the same compassion as the nearly 3,000 who died on Sept. 11.

    “Three of these murders are incontrovertibly linked to Sept. 11,” says Anya Cordell, who launched the Campaign for Collateral Compassion in February 2002 to bring attention to these subsequent Sept. 11 killings.

    Cordell, who has followed reports of Sept. 11 related hate backlash incidents closely, says the majority of the cases she has focused on took place in the three months after the terrorist attacks in New York. Yet none of the murder victims have been officially categorized as Sept. 11 related killings, and none of the families or relatives of these murder victims have qualified for any of the more than $2.9 billion raised to help Sept. 11 victims.

    “I focused on the murders, because I knew that if I couldn’t get attention for those victims, then I certainly would not be able to do anything for the victims of assaults and vandalism,” Cordell said.

    “They deserve to have their experience validated and have the public recognize what happened to them.”

    In most cases, reports of the Sept. 11 hate backlash were restricted to local news stories and local police investigations.

    Cordell said she doesn’t understand why none have been relieved by any of the primary Sept. 11 funds created to raise money for Sept. 11 victims’ families.

    “The victims should be treated exactly the same as if they had died in the World Trade Center,” said Cordell.

    Hate Crimes Escalate

    Cordell said the killings fit into a 1700 percent increase in the number of overall assaults and vandalism cases reported by Human Rights Watch during the first year after Sept. 11.

    Cordell said she is most surprised by the failure of the September 11th Fund to donate money to the survivors of hate backlash victims, considering that more than 58 percent of their donors expressly indicated they wanted funds to be used for that purpose.

    “The Fund specified the category of Sept. 11 backlash in their survey, and then conducted the survey twice, in October of 2001 and again in November 2001. Donor intent for relief to flow to the hate-backlash victims rose from 40 to 58 percent by November. This represents millions of donors and many millions of dollars,” Cordell explained.

    The attacks and assaults have been ongoing since September 11, with new ones reported every week, though not on the radar of the national news media.

    Cordell charged that comments made by civic leaders may have even contributed to the climate, such as the remark by North Carolina Congresswoman Sue Myrick, who, speaking about terrorism said, “Look who runs the convenience stores in every little town in this country.”

    On the first anniversary of Sept. 11th, Lynn Cheney, the wife of Vice President Dick Cheney, said “we don’t want that pap about diversity.”

    Cordell said that she was particularly moved to feel compassion and to work for these victims because she is Jewish. “As a Jew, whose community has experienced such enormous intolerance, I believe that Jewish people should be front and center when our neighbors are experiencing any irrational tolerance,” Cordell said.
    More to come.

  7. calzone says:

    The crap about spreading by the sword, debasement of women, condoning of violence, prophet pedophilia…all propaganda with one intent…to instigate violence against practitioners of Islam.

    “okay, i need a clarification. are you saying there are no significant elements in islam who believe and do these things (the normal meaning of “propaganda” as misinformation)? and if so, does that mean that you literally refuse to hear anything negative about islam no matter how true?”

    To the first question..of course. To the second…no. You cannot support any of the charges against Islam you seem to believe. You…cannot….support it.

    The people that spread this dishonest venom would like nothing more than a permanent state of hate and fear like the kind that existed just after the 9/11 attacks, where innocent Muslims and even Hindu sikhs were being attacked and stabbed and shot randomly all across the nation. Shame.

    “i’ve addressed this notion of dishonesty above and look forward to your answer. as to the “permanent state of hate and fear” that seems like a good description of many areas of the muslim world, with lots of violence as part of the picture. on the other hand, i think the americans behaved with remarkable restraint after 9-11. there was, as far as i know not “random stabbings… across the nation” but one case of the Sikh, and some cases of harrassment. in comparison with what the Dutch did in response to the stabbing of one person (attacks, burning of schools, etc), that’s not very much.”

    I’ve proven you wrong about this. Why didn’t you know? Are deliberately avoiding any information that might place the followers of Islam in the light of victims? Do you studiously avoid any positive aspects of Islam? Do you close your mind to anything that would tend to counter the anti-Islamic hate-speech that’s rampant on the net and in the media? It would seem so.

    “and then, compare it to what Muslims do when the rumor that a Quran was flushed down the toilet hits, or the pope says they’re violent, or a newspaper publishes largely anodine cartoons about muhammad.”

    A lesson in turnspeak. The Koran was actually flushed down the toilet, along with many other uses of debasement of the religion in Gitmo. They torture the detainees in Gitmo you know. It’s been ongoing since the center opened. The cartoons were repeatedly published, over and over and over by mainly rightwing publications, even after the unrest that they caused, making the publication of those cartoons fall well outside protected free speech as defined by our courts and constitution. The level of violence described to have occured as a result of the protests was inflated, amplified and propagandized, with most of those hurt being protestors by the police. But make no mistake, the violence was instigated and deliberately fomented by the people who published those cartoons, and the Pope apologized for his gaff. Islam does not convert by force. So what do the Muslims do? You tell me. Tell me about the violent Muslims. You can’t support the anti-Muslim hate myths, and you know it, so you use, repeatedly, the infantile argument “Well..well..THEY DO IT TOO!” Pathetic. You know we’re on this planet for a short blink of an eye, and we could be doing something with our lives to make it a little, tiny bit better. Not just to go in front of God (if there is one) and respond to his query about what have you accomplished with “Well, I survived.” But you’ve chosen to run this site, which is very slick and has good graphics, (basically like inlaid scrimshaw on a gun), to further anti-Islamic propaganda and hate. You’re fostering ignorance and hate. That is all you are doing. Great accomplishment there, mr humanitarian.

  8. fp says:

    calzone,

    when ignorance and stupidity was distributed in the world, how many times did you stand in line?

  9. Eliyahu says:

    fp, Mr Pants may be on some sort of acid which he ingested with his Kool Aid. But I’m fed up. And insulted. And I don’t feel like responding to you [pants] in a humorous vein any more. Yes, you get to me. But your response to another critic, slightly erotic and suggestive, may mean that you’re really operating out of sexual frustration. But we can’t help you here. Maybe you can find a nice girl who will keep your hands from going where they don’t belong. And maybe you should get off the acid. I mean this for real. In any case, you do need help.

  10. Eliyahu says:

    Friends, forgive me for trying to answer calzone seriously. But anyway, I suggest that he read over Quran 9:29 again and thoroughly. Indeed, he ought to read the whole Quran and find other pro-violence verses. A friend here told me that after Oslo he had been contacted by a German fund/institute operating in Israel. They asked him to make up a booklet with pro-peace verses from the Hebrew Bible and the Quran. He told them that there really aren’t enough in the Quran [if any?] to make up a booklet. The imbalance would be embarassing. When Shulamit Aloni was minister of miseducation in the Rabin-Peres-Beilin cabinet, she started a project to find pro-peace verses in the Quran and disseminate to the Israeli pupils. But this project seems to have been given up for the same reasons given by my friend. But why doesn’t calzone try to prove that I and the others are wrong. He should also delve into Majid Khadduri’s The Law of War and Peace in Islam [or some such title]. That book, written by a Muslim and Arab nationalist, could provide food for thought. He also should put books by Bat Ye’or on his reading list, as well as Norman Stillman’s books on Jews in Arab lands.

    Then he could undertake a project to find eyewitnesses and victims. He could look for Coptic Christian immigrants from Egypt in his neighborhood, and interview them. Then he can look for Hindus driven out of Kashmir by the “militants” there. About 400,000 Hindus were driven out of Kashmir in the last 25 years.

    Then he can further elaborate his argument that an individual’s behavior is not dictated by his ethnicity. OK, then why did Muslim thugs in the banlieues of Paris attack Jews there in retaliation for what Israelis are alleged to have done to Arabs in Gaza??? The Arabs themselves say that the character and behavior of the Jews were fixed centuries ago. Learn Arabic in order to understand what they really say among themselves.

  11. fp says:

    eliyahu,

    1st, the ilk of these idiots should never get to you. life is too short and they are nobody.

    2nd, why should any nice girl deserve an idiot?

  12. fp says:

    it does not matter what one reads, one must have a minimum of intellect and integrity. this idiot has neither.

  13. pst314 says:

    Very interesting debate in the comments here: Muslims around the world teach their children to hate and despise non-Muslims. Violence against non-Muslims is pandemic. All of this has been going on for centuries, and yet calzone calls us haters for objecting to Islam’s hatefulness and violent intolerance.

  14. PhiliBuster says:

    “Is criticism of Islam worse than terrorism?”

    Islamists seem absurd to modern people when they say verbal criticism of Islam is worse than actual physical acts of terrorism where flesh-and-blood people get seriously wounded and killed.

    But, beginning with the premise that whatever advances Islam is “good” (jihadist terrorism) and whatever opposes Islam is “evil” (philosophical or moral critiques of Islam, jokes, etc.)…it is very easy to see why Islamists view cartoons or unfavourable comments as “worse than terrorism”. They are preaching to the choir. (Oops, they don’t have choirs…they hate music.)

    Islam has “dualistic” or “bipolar” ethics. They are able to support or oppose the same act if done by a Muslim or an infidel. Whatever advances Islam is “good”.

    In the Koran, there are often two conflicting commandments (Medinan and Meccan). Muslims also have the duty to use “taqiyya” (pious lies to advance Islam) when the situation demands it.

    The philosophical bipolarity of Islam makes debating a Muslim difficult, because he often gets to have it both ways. If you catch them on a point, they will say you are taking it “out of context”.

    The context in every religious cult is opportunism. Islam openly preaches hatred of outsiders (who all deserve to be killed for not instantly believing in Allah…but Allah has “led them astray” so that they will be unable to believe). Sound confused? That is the dualistic subtext of Islam. It contradicts itself and defies human logic on almost every point and therefore, it must be followed blindly. (Let the gentle reader look up the word “taqlid”.)

    In the shame-based primitive culture of Islam, honour comes before facts. The honour of Islam justifies every lie and every crime. Modern governments in Muslim-majority countries know this and are forced to subtly oppose implementation of Sharia whenever it undermines the authority of the state. They pay lip service to Sharia so that the Islamists can save face, but they also realize it is a ruse.

    Islam will fall due to its own lies when its 400 million illiterate females learn to read and write. An earthquake is coming in the Muslim world: literate women. Islam has about 20 years left.

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