Rioting in Paris Suburbs

In an interview with a French journalist last week I made the point that the French police live in constant fear of a French “al Durah” — with a “youth” killed by the police, even as a mistake, they can end up not just with rioting, but with suicide bombing. That’s why when the rioting happens, the police are extremely reluctant to suppress the violence. The first part of that prediction just came true in Paris where two boys died when their moped smashed into a police car and it led to immediate rioting. Note that the police are nowhere to be seen.

Boys’ moped deaths ignite riot in Paris suburb
By Peter Allen in Paris
Last Updated: 1:44am GMT 26/11/2007

rioting in villiers
Rioting in Villiers-le-Bel (from Le Monde)

Rioting broke in one of Paris’s tinder box suburban housing estates last night after two young boys were killed when their moped collided with a police car.

Molotov cocktails were thrown, and cars and plastic bins set on fire following the tragedy in Tolinette, a notoriously crime-ridden district of Villiers-le-Bel, some 20 miles north of the centre of the French capital.

One police station was set alight and another, in a neighbouring suburb, was ransacked after youths threw cocktails, and set bins alight and upturned cars.

Officials said seven police and one firefighter had were injured and there were fears the violence, which spread to the neighbouring town of Arnouville-les-Gonesse, could also take hold in other poor, suburban enclaves.

The boys who died were said by locals to be “aged between 12 and 13″.

In other words, the age of Muhammad al Durah. Except that they’re 15 and 16. One of their uncles, speaks of his nephew as 15 in an interview with Le Parisien as reported by Nidra Poller

    Interviewed by Le Parisien, the uncle of Moushin Souhhali, one of the victims, says he understands the rage; it’s terrible to lose a 15 year-old boy. His body, claims the uncle, was dumped at the fire station with no respect. The police who, in his opinion, caused the accident were nowhere to be seen. He heard they were speeding. His nephew was a good boy, not a delinquent.

Police insisted that their car had not been chasing the boys, and that the officer driving suffered facial injuries in the incident, which happened soon after dusk.

But the violence had grim echoes of the disturbances which followed the electrocution of two youths in a sub-station as they fled police in the nearby suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois in late 2005. It directly led to two months of serious rioting across France, with a state of emergency being declared.

After last night’s deaths, residents in Tolinette said cars were being burnt out, with police fleeing the scene.

Police fleeing the scene. No wonder they’re called “the lost territories of the Republic.”

One local, who asked to remain anonymous, said: “Around 100 rioters have burn at least two cars, but the forces of law and order are nowhere to be seen.

“There were four police cars here, but they’ve retreated. They were charged by the rioters. Some rioters are climbing up to electric cables to try and break them and put the whole district into darkness.

“The kids who died were only aged between 12 and 13. We’re all trying to get the rioters to calm down, but it’s hard when you’re dealing with the deaths of a couple of kids, and when the police are involved.”

Rumors have the power of “reality.” It turns out the teenagers were not wearing helmets (the “mini-motocross” they were riding was “astonishingly intact“). So we have a typical, almost banal tale of two imprudent youths, turned into an excuse to riot.

A police spokesman later confirmed the boys’ deaths, saying that next of kin would be informed before they could be named.

He confirmed that, as well as the police driver, a superintendent had been badly injured as he tried to put out fires started by youths in rubbish bins.

The officer also confirmed that Molotov cocktails – makeshift bombs made of bottles, petrol and an old rag for a fuse – had also been used.

“The situation is extremely tense – we are trying to contain the trouble,” the spokesman added.

The trouble in 2005 was largely blamed on immigrant youths living in suburban housing projects who complained about discrimination and lack of employment opportunities.

Nicolas Sarkozy, who is now president, built up a ruthless reputation as Interior Minister for using tough policing and longer prison sentences to crack down on the trouble.

15 Responses to Rioting in Paris Suburbs

  1. fp says:

    Which is why insist that most of europe is lost, despite all the wishful thinking that there is still time to prevent it. There isn’t.

    Each such incident, be the cause arranged or blown out of proportion, teaches the elements in question that the country is in fear of them. A metaphor I use is “showing red to a bull”. There will be a tipover point where the system will surrender just to threats, not real riots and it’s starting to look as if that’s starting in France, but not just (try Sweden).

    Mark Steyn often stresses that Europe does not have to have a muslim majority to be lost. The events in France provide the underlying explanation why.

    And I can almost guarantee you that Sarkozy will not do anything about it, as the various wishful thinkers delude themselves. It’s too late.

    fp
    http://fallofknowledgeandreason.blogspot.com/

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  7. Diane says:

    fp,

    Re: your Europe-is-doomed theory, I wondered what you thought of the mass waves of immigration that have come to America — first, the poor, illiterate Europeans of Ellis Island (about 9 million of them over about 20 years) and the 30 million Mexican and Central American “illegals” now living in the U.S.

    We know how the Ellis Island group ended up — vastly invigorating to both American culture and enterprise. Most American Jews are descended from this group.

    The current wave of Latinos are arguably on a similar path of usefulness — some would argue indispensibleness — to their adopted country. (I’m not arguing for or against immigration reform or amnesty here — just stating the obvious: that America’s economy would come to a halt if those 30 million busboys, nannies, hotel workers, day laborers, gardeners etc. were to disappear tomorrow.)

    Is it just Islam, then, that makes an immigrant group a liability to first-world, democratic societies? But Arab-Americans are living proof that this, too, is not so. As a group, they achieve higher education levels and earn higher wages than white Americans, let alone traditional American minorities.

    Do you believe Europe would be in better shape if it stopped allowing North African and South Asian immigrants to enter, and instead gave priority to Hindu Indians, Christian Filipinos or Mexicans, Buddhist Chinese?

    I’m not trying to be a smart-ass. I genuinely am curious about your opinion on this.

  8. fp says:

    There seems to be sufficient evidence to support the theory that it is islam that’s a large part of the problem.

    The european problem is exacerbated relative to the US one by the facts that (a) the natives don’t reproduce (b) europe is their previous colonizer, so there is antagonism (c) europe is at the core quite racist — their so-called integration policies and PC-based, not genuine acceptance; they look down on the immigrants and think they need to be “protected”.

    And stopping immigration now would not help, it’s too late. But they don’t do it anyway.

    I would not be too sure about the “success” of US muslims. The problems in Europe started with second, not first generation, and we can already see signs of that in the US.

    Furthermore, the US is targetted by foreign islamists like the Saudis with mosques, imams, university funds, and fake orgs like CAIR, which work to use the weaknesses of democratic society to undermine from inside and to raise the jihadist consciousness of gullible young males and give them control over women.
    It’s a slow process, but the trend is clear.

  9. fp says:

    I gotta add, of course, fear as a major reason for europe’s appeasement policies.

    but there isn’t much difference between the idiocy of europe and that of the US:

    Anti-terror training of terrorists
    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58863

    And I must repeat: europe has not been won, it’s been lost. And so will the US. It’ll just take more time.

  10. fp says:

    Europe is NOT lost?

    Gadafi Wants to Build a Tent on Sarkozy’s Lawn
    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28069_Gadafi_Wants_to_Build_a_Tent_on_Sarkozys_Lawn&only

    Among riots in France, not less.

  11. Diane says:

    fp,

    The anti-terrorist article is alarming. Have we learned nothing from our experiences with empowering Bin Laden, Saddam and Noriega? That’s Realpolitik for you.

    Re: the article of Gadafi’s tent, the guy is a crackpot, possibly in the late stages of syphilis. I submit that bizarre requests for his accommodation are no different than bizarre requests of any eccentric despot throughout history — from Cleopatra to Catherine the Great. Granting them costs the France nothing, and may buy some goodwill.

  12. fp says:

    diane,

    It’s not only alarming, it is a picture of what can be expected of a peace process led by bush and rice: they facilitate terror against israel and they then are the sole judges of whether the two sides comply with the process. iow, what do you expect will happen when the trainees will commit terror against israel and israel responds — what will the judgment be, you think? they want to eliminate terror by facilitating it. this means that they dumped israel already. they want the terrorists to push israel into suicide.

    You don’t need to go to al-qaeda to know the utter stupidity of it all: this is precisely what the US did just before the Gaza takeover with the very people who collapsed in front of hamas and all the weapons fell into the latter’s hands. I am pretty sure that the new trainees are those who managed to run away from Gaza.

    Of course Gadafi is a crackpot. But that’s the whole point: why doesn’t France treat him like one? The first thing Sarkozy, the great western hope, did was to appease Gadafi. And now they dk how to treat his request! Is that a sign that europe is NOT gone?

  13. Eliyahu says:

    fp, you realize that US govt Mid East policy is dangerous, not only for Israel. But why can’t you conceive that people in the State Dept and cia, etc., may want terrorism, not because of US weakness, but because they like terrorism, especially against Jews?

  14. fp says:

    I sure can envision it and do.

    I keep arguing that jews are a natural target for scapegoating. American foreign policy is rooted mainly in arrogant ignorance. The incompetence is colossal and the consequences are dire.

    What do you do when you fucked up so badly that you essentially fucked yourself up? You find a scapegoat. And jews are a natural.

    The jews are now paying the price for the utter failures on Al-Qaeda, Afghanistan and Iraq. Whoever does not understand that understands nothing.

  15. fp says:

    i certainly can conceive of that and do.

    in fact, remember how kissinger told the arabs “don’t worry, in a decade or so israel will fight desperately for its existence”? and he is a jew.

    but then america was not in steep decline everywhere and islamist jihadism was not where it is. it could still use the jews for some purposes. now it is going down the drain in every respect and all those anti-semites are coming out of the woodwork to scapegoat israel and appease the US out of a hole which it keeps digging.

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