A Tale of Three Cultures: Samir Quntar, Hero or Monster?

Samir Quntar, the Lebanese Druse Terrorist who killed a man in front of his family (shot in the back) and then smashed his four-year old daughters brains out against a rock, is being returned to Lebanon today.

Here is a piece from the point of view of his victims.

For Israelis — and, one would imagine, the rest of the Western world that holds life sacred and attacks on innocent civilians, crimes of war, this man is the quintessence of a monster, and the cultures that could greet him as a hero, pathological in their hatreds.

That, alas, is the case both among (some) Lebanese and Palestinians.

Here is a piece from the point of view of some Lebanese.

Now can someone explain to me why this latter piece is the product of France24 TV, and not Hezbullah TV?

16 Responses to A Tale of Three Cultures: Samir Quntar, Hero or Monster?

  1. Solomonia says:

    Israel’s Dumbest Day?…

    Well, they’ve released the child-murderer in exchange for corpses, and the Arabs are celebrating because Samir Kuntar is their kind of guy. Truth. It strikes me that this is not a deal that a forward-looking person would make. Soccer Dad……

  2. Lynne T says:

    I note Quntar was 16 when he got started. Had he been born in Canada, like Guantanamo inmate Omar Khadr, we’d probably hear that poor Samir was obviously a child soldier and not to be held responsible for his particularly brutal murder of a small child.

  3. E.G. says:

    RL Now can someone explain to me why this latter piece is the product of France24 TV, and not Hezbullah TV?

    There are probably cooperation agreements between these networks, similar to those between the Iranian news agency and AFP.

  4. oao says:

    the west is much more to blame than the arabs in general and quntar/hizballah in particular.

    the arabs are a product of so-called “societies” which are pathological in nature and instill hatred in their people. there is less knowledge and ability to reason and it can be argued that they don’t know any better. not that are innocent–they are guilty and should be prosecuted/executed.

    but what is the west’s in general and its media in particular excuse? they OUGHT to know better than to fund and propagandize these animals? in this sense they are more guilty and responsible for the arab actions than the arabs. and the most guilty is the israeli elite. why should they expect anything better from the arabs and the west when they do this to themselves?

    arab society has remained mostly in the 7th century. western society seems to be rapidly going from the 21st back to the 7th. and as far as I am concerned, that’s what it deserves.

    oao
    http://fallofknowledgeandreason.blogspot.com/

  5. Solomon says:

    The French thing is remarkable but not surprising.

    So what’s it all about then? The Israelis trying desperately to find some positive here by using the media spotlight to get the word out on what bad guys Kuntar and Hizballah are? Woohoo. Weak beer indeed. There should have been hell to pay the moment they found out those two men were dead.

  6. Cynic says:

    There should have been hell to pay the moment they found out those two men were dead

    They Israeli army knew at the time that what was removed from the wreckage of the Humvee was charred flesh and not living beings, but they played along for whatever screwed up reasoning.
    They allowed the Red Cross and others to play with Goldwasser’s wife as if she was a fish on a hook, making her believe all the while that her husband was alive while having seen the results of several RPGs hitting the vehicle knew that there was no likelihood that they were still alive.

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  8. Carol Herman says:

    Wow. Poster #5 got to me. I, too, suspected that these two soldiers were dead. Just as I suspect that Shalit’s dead.

    (When the Dugmush heads began falling in gaza; after one of them was kidnapped … I knew from the kidnapping … which came as a surprise in gaza. Because the Israelis disguised themselves, and approached on donkeys … But still made it out on a helicopter; I knew this was an attempt to find out if Shalit were living. Then? Recently five of them (from the family that kidnapped Shalit), were killed when drones hit their vehicles.

    Most of the news really takes place OUTSIDE the reportage we get, that passes for “news.”

    Why did Olmert agree, here? Why not? Coming to “end game” there wasn’t much of a way to get the dead soldiers back;

    And, as #5 points out, the Red Cross was involved in the faking of the game to Goldwasser’s wife.

    So now? It’s front page news, with pictures, that Olmert hugs her at the funeral. I happen to like Olmert. Weighing this as a news story? It doesn’t really have a downside.

    And, the best way to prevent kidnapping is to hold the commanders of the IDF responsible for what their men do. Through training, you can prevent dangers.

    I also don’t see this as an “advantage” to Nasrallah.

    It happens to be Bush who is incompetent; and who used his presidency to put this approach to Israel (to give up “something”) on his agenda. He sinks with it.

    If, on the other hand? Obama wins in November. The same business will keep getting played. And, Israel’s gotten good at “running out the clock.” Talk about Nasrallah all you want, Bush didn’t win.

    Let alone, how 9/11 was an Act of War from the Saud’s. But Bush never figured this out, either.

  9. Joanne, says:

    What has really struck me is an article about the swap in today’s New York Times: http://tinyurl.com/6p9rxf

    Maybe the article was meant to be reported from the Hezbollah point of view, i.e., here’s what they’re doing and thinking behind Hezbollah lines. I hope that was the case. I hope that this wasn’t meant to be the definitive article on the subject, because the imbalance is stunning.

    Most of the article focused on the homecoming of Kuntar, the celebrations with Nasrallah acting as host. A lot of space was given to shows of support for Nasrallah and Kuntar, and to references to how the war in 2006 actually strengthened Hezbollah politically. The article is one long celebration of Hezbollah, generous with quotes of support.

    Oh, and the article did…in one line…mention what Kuntar actually did that landed him in jail: “Samir Kuntar was a 16-year-old when he was imprisoned in Israel for killing a police officer, a civilian and a child. He was 46 years old when he walked down a red carpet on Wednesday, to freedom in Lebanon, where he was greeted as a hero…” That’s it!

    And right before that, the article states: “The prisoners were swapped by Israel in exchange for the bodies of two soldiers.”

    Nothing more! That was all that was said about the Israelis! I had to go on the Internet to learn that the two Israelis were Regev and Goldwasser, two of the famous three whose kidnapping was the bit of dried timber that started the second Lebanon War.

    I don’t read The New York Times every day, so all I can say is that I hope this was only one of a few articles written on the subject, and that other articles gave more space to the Israelis’ point of view.

  10. oao says:

    Why did Olmert agree, here? Why not? Coming to “end game” there wasn’t much of a way to get the dead soldiers back;

    because decisions ought to be made for that good of the country and not for selfish political reasons. that takes leaders, not incompetent and corrupt politicians. olmert could not resist the leftist pressures for the families, but spit on that of the kuntar victims, has strenghtened hezbollah and demonstrated weakness, and has endangered israel and its citizens.

    I happen to like Olmert.

    WHY????????????????????????????????????

    I also don’t see this as an “advantage” to Nasrallah.

    You can’t be serious.

    It happens to be Bush who is incompetent; and who used his presidency to put this approach to Israel (to give up “something”) on his agenda. He sinks with it.

    bush IS incompetent, but that does not make olmert and his colleagues competent and nasrallah a loser.

    If, on the other hand? Obama wins in November. The same business will keep getting played. And, Israel’s gotten good at “running out the clock.”

    then only god can help america and israel, and I’m an atheist.

    you think the clock is running in israel’s favor?

    Talk about Nasrallah all you want, Bush didn’t win.

    should that give us satisfaction, or what?

  11. oao says:

    Maybe the article was meant to be reported from the Hezbollah point of view, i.e., here’s what they’re doing and thinking behind Hezbollah lines. I hope that was the case.

    what difference would that make and why is that something to hope for? one would have to be either a complete moron or an antisemite and probably both to write it that way.

    I don’t read The New York Times every day, so all I can say is that I hope this was only one of a few articles written on the subject, and that other articles gave more space to the Israelis’ point of view.

    don’t set your hopes too high. the french media did exactly the same thing. don’t tell me that that’s a concidence. and sight unseen i am willing to bet that the vast majority of the media everywhere did the same.

  12. Eliyahu says:

    Carol, I’m sure you’re too nice a person to really like olmert if you knew of all his corruption. Why don’t you read up on his crimes in the Israeli English language news sites and then bear in mind that not everything gets translated into English??

    Joanne, remember years ago that some people –even “leftists”– used to say that the Western capitalist/imperialist powers really favored the fascists, the dictators, etc??? Well, it is true of some Western capitalist states. It’s also true of socialist states and leftist and Communist regimes. After all, it was the Soviet Onion that made the Nazi-Soviet Pact in 1939 which started WW 2. So it should be no surprise that a newspaper both leftist & capitalist –like NYT– drools over a Hizbullah victory. The Hizb is tantamount to a fascist or Nazi outfit. Look at the Hizb’s ideology and allies.

    By the way, I saw something repulsive on a CNN segment rebroadcast on an Israeli channel this morning to show world reaction to our humiliation. Some CNN truthbender, a Britisher, judging by his accent, said that this was a “victory for Lebanon.” It is a victory for Hizbullah but not for Lebanon, since it only strengthens the Hizb’s hand there. Most Lebanese oppose the Hizb for various reasons. Yet many Westerners, especially “leftists”, choose to see the Hizb as representing Lebanon as such.

  13. E.G. says:

    The following is neither culture nor civilization. A Hezbullah site dedicated to the commemoration the Bint Jbeil “heroes” dares put online photos of Israeli soldiers’ body parts and remains.
    http://www.bintjbeil.org/?show=news&action=article&id=7780

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