Just what is genetically coded in the history of Judaism? Bill Moyers’ Wretched Failure

On January 9, 2009, Bill Moyers presented his thoughts on the Gaza situation. In it he (apparently) couldn’t resist connecting it to biblical issues. And in doing so, he revealed an appalling, and for someone steeped in biblical interpretation, inexcusably vicious reading of the texts.

From Bill Moyers’s transcript:

What we are seeing in Gaza is the latest battle in the oldest family quarrel on record. Open your Bible: the sons of the patriarch Abraham become Arab and Jew. Go to the Book of Deuteronomy. When the ancient Israelites entered Canaan their leaders urged violence against its inhabitants. The very Moses who had brought down the commandment “Thou shalt not kill” now proclaimed, “You must destroy completely all the places where the nations have served their gods. You must tear down their altars, smash their pillars, cut down their sacred poles, set fire to the carved images of their gods, and wipe out their name from that place.”

So God-soaked violence became genetically coded.

Alvin Rosenfeld, someone exceptionally familiar with the “new anti-Semitism” of the 21st century, wrote him as follows:

Dear Mr. Moyers:

I teach a course on antisemitism at Indiana University and today introduced the transcript of your last television program to my students. I did so in order to illustrate how the history of anti-Jewish accusations can still have a strong contemporary resonance. Your charge about violence being genetically coded, for instance, finds recognizable parallels with the rhetoric of Nazi racial antisemitism. In addition, the continuities that you seem to draw between biblical accounts of ancient Israel’s conquests and present-day Israeli military action in Gaza find a familiar place in the history of Christian anti-Judaism.

No respectable historian today would make such a claim. I’ve watched your show over the years and never thought that anything you might say about the Jews would provide prooftexts for the kind of course I am presently teaching. But, whatever your intentions, your words this past Friday evening are now indelibly part of the vocabulary of contemporary anti-Jewish defamation. I wish you would see fit to apologize for them and retract them.

Professor Alvin H. Rosenfeld

Rosenfeld also sent a copy of his letter to Judea Pearl, father of Daniel Pearl. This is Judea’s response:

Dear Mr. Moyer:
I am the father of Daniel Pearl, a former member of your profession. My attention was called to remarks that you made on your last television program where you spoke about how violence is genetically encoded in the Jewish psyche. I would like to appear on your show and speak on behalf of my son, who was murdered by people of like-beliefs, and who cannot come himself to demonstrate to you personally what his DNA was made of and what decency and integrity in journalism is all about.

Please give me a chance to speak on his behalf; you have offended everything he stood for, and he deserves an equal time.

Sincerely,
Dr. Judea Pearl
Daniel Pearl Foundation

I’ve now listened to the whole program. It reminded me of a combination of Annie Lennox and the CNN reporter who did an info-mercial interview with the head of a Palestinian “Human Rights” organization [to be posted shortly], in which he not only helped him raise money, but gave him the floor to criticize Israel — but never Hamas — for the humanitarian crisis. On the one hand, like both of them, in the name of humanitarian concern, Moyers promoted a group whose political agenda is anti-Israel; on the other, he’s incapable of thinking clearly about a terribly serious moral dilemma. So when in doubt, blame the Jews.

It’s characteristic of anti-Judaism (I don’t think Moyer’s an anti-Semite), that it impairs the reasoning process. So while Moyers acknowledges critical issues — Hamas wants every Jew in Israel dead, Hamas wants their own people killed — he’s incapable of carrying those key but terrible ideas with him as he reasons. Thus he blames Israel’s current attack for driving Mahmoud al Zahar to declare that his movement has a right to kill every Israeli, when Mahmoud didn’t need any such excuse. Thus he calls the humanitarian crisis an Israeli-caused one, without any attention to the extensive and long-standing effort of Hamas to engineer it. He claims to be “even-handed,” but, like so many liberals of the Jimmy Carter variety, he treats Hamas as an amoral force of nature and reserves his rebukes and policy suggestions for Israel alone.

Now, I can imagine someone steeped in this kind of unconscious prejudice against Arabs and imprisoned by the walls of political correctness to slide comfortably into a blame-Israel narrative, although I think of Moyers as considerably more intelligent and thoughtful than Jimmy Carter. But I can’t get over that little digression into biblical narrative. That smells a lot to me like residual (and still-powerful) Christian supersessionism.

It’s way too long, and probably too complicated for someone whose ability to think about these issues is so badly impaired, to go into the theological issues of biblical exegesis. Suffice to say, that in their long history of reading these passages that so disturb the good Mr. Moyers, Jews have never taken this call to extermination seriously. (Indeed, archeologists suggest they didn’t even do the initial job.) On the contrary, Jews have consistently over the last three millennia interpreted their sacred texts as a recipe for civil societies and, when they had a chance, civil poliities.

On the other hand, if any religion has violence embedded in its scriptural and behavioral codes, it’s Islam throughout its history, and especially now. That may be why Jews — in the diaspora and in Israel — are so adept at adapting to the rules of, and succeeding in, modern civil societies, and why Arabs and Muslims are such failures.

There’s nothing more distressing than a man who wants to present himself as a pundit, wants people of good will to take him seriously, wants to contribute to peace in the world, to so drastically misrepresent the forces of war.

You can give Moyers your feedback here.

106 Responses to Just what is genetically coded in the history of Judaism? Bill Moyers’ Wretched Failure

  1. Michelle Schatzman says:

    li’l typo at the end : adapting, not adopting.

    Keep up the good work!

  2. Bible says:

    There is a new museum in Krakow that many people do not understand. Bible

  3. Moyers thinks he has made the jump from journalist to Holy Man. Where is it written that liberal journalists are better than everyone else?
    Oh, I forgot, they write it every day…

  4. Jerome Gould says:

    I have left this comment for Mr. Moyers

    Mr. Moyers

    The similarity between alleging that Jews have a genetic disposition to be violent and saying that black people genetically like fried chicken and watermelon is not just that they both have a kernel of truth in as much as all human beings have a propensity for violence and all humans likewise have a liking for sweet melons and fried chicken.

    The real similarity lies in the unconscious but pervasive prejudice that blinds the speaker to his own impulse to use such a statement to demean and impugn Jews or people of color. Mr. Moyers, whose work I have admired in the past, has given us a glimpse into a very ugly (and, I might add, mistaken) emotion that he harbors toward the Jewish people.

    Note to Mr. Moyers: You sir, are a mere journalist. You are way beyond the purview and expertise level when you read a short excerpt from a three thousand year old book, ignore all of the subsequent commentary of three millennia of gentle and wise sages and use the evidence you select to place this blood-libel on the heads of an innocent people- a people that has, even in the face of an enemy that is dedicated to the annihilation of all Jews, practiced the most restrained and “civilian respecting” military policy in the history of mankind.

    I can think of nothing that makes what you have done in this instance any better or less damning than any of the other blood-libels visited on us by the worst hate-mongers.

    Shame.

  5. EB says:

    What’s the difference between anti-semitism and anti-Judaism? I am a secuar jew, does that mean Moyers does not think I have violence encoded in my DNA?

  6. scannerca says:

    I watched that program, then recorded the re-broadcast. Hearing him make all those comments was like getting hit in the gut with a baseball bat. I haven’t directly heard such blatant anti-Semitism since I was 12!

  7. Mad Dawg says:

    With Socialists the claimed goals are equality, justice, and tolerance. The actual results are elitism, bigotry,and racism.

    Is the transcript posted somewhere? I could find only the video and I’m on dial-up so that’s out of the question.)

  8. emil k says:

    Maybe some day soon American Jews will wake up to the leftist anti-semitism that is in their midst. Jews are quick to recognize right win anti-semitism (ie Patsy Buchanan) but are slow to recognize leftist anti-semitism. For many Jews being a leftist is part of the Jewish identiy, thus they have tolerence for leftwing anti-semitism.

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  11. Robert Jacobs says:

    Moyers can’t do his homework. The Hebrew text never commands “You shall not kill”, for how could they be expected to conquer the land without doing so? The Hebrew is “You shall not murder”. Big difference. Murder is what Arabs and Hamas do all day long – it is the killing of innocents – on purpose.

    Moyers’ quote does not even relate to killing the inhabitants in war. It relates to destroying their places of worship and destroying their presence/name from those places of pagan worship! This is not at all the same thing as conquering a land and killing the enemy. Moyers is just displaying his ignorance and using irrelevant out-of-context quotes to prove something he believes, but cannot support.

  12. [...] “saint” (may his name be erased) deserves every adjective I used. He had the gall to say that since Biblical times God-soaked violence became genetically coded into Jews and [...]

  13. oao says:

    It’s characteristic of anti-Judaism (I don’t think Moyer’s an anti-Semite), that it impairs the reasoning process.

    methinks it’s the other way around: is ignorance and inability to reason that induces anti-semitism.

    I haven’t directly heard such blatant anti-Semitism since I was 12!

    they were just not speaking it, but it’s been there all the time, waiting for it to become fashionable again. this usually happens as scapegoating during crises.

    well, the US is in huge crisis: it is in free fall in almost all areas and that’s when the kooks come out from under the rocks.

  14. oao says:

    the core root of anti-semitism is anti-judaism.

    paul essentially hijacked jesus for his religion and it is only natural that is an embarassment to christianity. hence the notion of jews killing jesus. that’s an attempt to obliterate reality on which every religion is founded.

  15. Bill Moyers, anti-Semite?…

    America’s Conscience(tm) has a Kinsley Moment here: The liberal establishment is under such stress over the possibility that Israel might succeed in protecting her own people that they are letting the mask slip a little. The latest is Bill Moyers……

  16. Sophia says:

    Oh – Moyers isn’t antisemitic?

    Good heavens. This is horrifying.

    That said it’s been creeping up for years – people mocked those of us who’ve been watching the blogosphere for years as misojudaism became more and more fashionable (again) and now we’re being openly attacked by the “elites”.

    Please note this, like much of the bile emanating from BBC and other “enlightened” sources, isn’t generated from poor, uneducated people but rather from the “intelligentsia” – just as it was in the 1930′s when so many highly educated, respectable people openly despised Jews and referred to us as a “menace”, like Henry Ford who put copies of “International Jewry” aka “The Protocols” in the glovebox of his cars.

    I wrote this via the comments link:

    Your comments about Jews being genetically coded for violence are offensive in the extreme.

    I don’t even know where to begin. But I am appalled.

    Jews have been victims of the worst violence for thousands of years, even before the Romans attacked Judea and destroyed the Second Temple and scattered her citizens to the winds. Countless Jews were crucified and the country literally crushed.

    This pattern was repeated again and again throughout Christendom and in Islam dhimmi status left the Jewish community at best in second class condition, segregated and vulnerable and forced to take “unclean” jobs.

    Pogroms throughout Europe as well as in the Middle East have reduced the Jewish population worldwide to a relative handful. There are perhaps 14 or 15 million Jews IN THE WORLD – as opposed to billions of Christians and Muslims.

    Both groups – offshoots of Judaism – have victimized the Jews – consigned us to damnation – condemned us to die – refused to allow even a tiny Jewish state to exist in the enormous world of the 22 Arab League states.

    Meanwhile the kindly UN and other NGO’s and the oh-so-tolerant Arab world have maintained the Palestinians as “refugees” for 60 years and incited them to violence, to destroy the Jews in the Middle East, to destroy Israel which was founded on the site of ancient Israel as a refuge for the persecuted Jews of the modern world.

    The Arabs and lately the Iranians and their proxies have been threatening for decades to finish Hitler’s job. Mein Kampf is a best seller in the Middle East. Iran held a cartoon contest mocking the Holocaust.

    Meanwhile Israel is supposed to sit and eat thousands of rockets that terrorize her citizens, kill animals, burn fields, smash houses, and the groups that also terrorize their fellow Palestinians and spoil any attempts at a peace process are glorified in rallies where people IN EUROPE chant “Hamas! Hamas! Jews to the Gas” and nice white folks in San Francisco march around with signs declaring the Jews are terrorists and “Smash the Jewish State”.

    And you, sir, compare Israel’s attempts to stop the rocket fire and other attacks on Israeli citizens to Vietnam – and like certain notorious persons who murdered 6 million Jews in Europe for their supposed racial inferiority declare Jews genetically flawed -

    Shame on you sir.

  17. Solomonia says:

    Bill Moyers: Racist…

    It always seems to head in that direction, doesn’t it? Commentary at Breath of the Beast and Augean Stables. As a related aside, the next time you hear someone brush off what’s going on in the Middle East as just……

  18. Michael B says:

    No, the core root of anti-Semitism is not anti-Judaism, strictly or properly understood. But that gets into some territory that I’ll eschew here, beyond noting that every positive belief system – secular, religious or otherwise – has core and underlying differences with every other belief systems. Otherwise it wouldn’t be a (positive) belief system. Judaism necessarily and inherently contains elements that are anti-Hindu – and vise versa; one secular ideology contains elements that are incompatible with some other secular ideology and belief system; etc. There is an element of truth in what you’re forwarding, but you are hugely and presumptively overly leveraging it.

  19. JD says:

    That’s Bill Moyers, again, unable to suppress his inner-Jimmy Carter.

    BTW, if you all want to understand left-wing anti-semitism you need to start with the left wing source, the Soviet’s global anti-Zionism campaign beginning in the mid 60′s until Gorbachev turned it off ~1986.

  20. oao says:

    Maybe some day soon American Jews will wake up to the leftist anti-semitism that is in their midst.

    It won’t be soon, if at all. The instinct will be the classical “let’s shut up, it’ll go away”. Which, just as in the 30′s, will only invite worse.

    And it will be worse. Because what the jihadis will do to jews with the world looking on or participating will not be the kind of “civilized extermination” of the nazis. it’ll be lynching of the kind you saw in the west bank when the 2 soldiers were torn apart and the red hands shown to the public.

  21. oao says:

    the Soviet’s global anti-Zionism campaign beginning in the mid 60’s until Gorbachev turned it off ~1986.

    nobody can turn it off. it just becomes dormant until it’s fashionable and can be exposed again.

    and boy, is it fashionable now.

  22. oao says:

    sophia,

    I wrote this via the comments link

    good for you. however, don’t expect anything out of it.
    anybody who expresses this sort of thing has stewed in it for most of his life, except it was not condoned so it stayed inside.

    and of course it’s the elites who initiate it. that’s because crises affect the power of the elites and when they start feeling the effect they go for the classic scapegoats, both to make thmselves feel better and to rationalize their failures to the plebos.

  23. oao says:

    but I do not mean to say that there is no jew hatred in the plebos, even in america. you can see it coming out too in the moonbat demos all over the place. which only reinforces the elites’ instinct to go for it to please the masses.

  24. Seva Brodsky says:

    The following is the comment I left:

    Bill Moyers, you are a pretentious and self-righteous ignoramus and bigot who is all too full of himself. I could go into great lengths as to why, but the link below and the comments that follow should amply illustrate my allegations:

    http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2009/01/15/just-what-is-genetically-coded-in-the-history-of-judaism-bill-moyers-wretched-failure/

    Your obnoxious and noxious idiocy only proves that I was right years ago when I stopped supporting the NPR and the PBS.

    I would like to say “Shame on you” but I’m afraid you’re incapable of feeling this particular emotion.

    You are a disgrace to your profession. And no, I don’t mean the prophets — I mean the journalists.

  25. JD says:

    To #20, oao,

    It did die, in Eastern Europe. Died pretty much on the spot

    However, in Western Europe, and the West, not so. Still kicking around the marxists and those in the marxist orbit or in the discourses much guided by them.

    However, my impression, is it is less than in the past, say, the 2002 suicide campaign to keep Arafat from having to face an election and for Saddam to try to distract America. Perhaps one needs to have lots of Israeli civilians die to stir them up more.

  26. oao says:

    It did die, in Eastern Europe. Died pretty much on the spot

    I very much doubt it. It likely went dormant. For various reasons, the main one being that these things never die. If you check with eastern jews you’ll find this is true. I was born in Romania. It was always an anti-semitic country and it still is. There are just too few jews left there, many very old.

    However, in Western Europe, and the West, not so. Still kicking around the marxists and those in the marxist orbit or in the discourses much guided by them.

    It’s much broader than the marxists and jihadis. They are just those who trigger it out of dormancy. The kooks are coming out from under the rocks. In the US too. Moonbats everywhere.

    However, my impression, is it is less than in the past, say, the 2002 suicide campaign to keep Arafat from having to face an election and for Saddam to try to distract America. Perhaps one needs to have lots of Israeli civilians die to stir them up more.

    you ain’t seen nothing yet. just watch.

  27. Peter B says:

    Moyers sounds like the Christian Identity whack jobs: both think that the Jews congenitally embody the worst things they can think of.

  28. oao says:

    it should never be forgotten that ant-semitism was invented by christianity.

  29. “So God-soaked violence became genetically coded.”…

    Scratching Bill Moyers……

  30. Seva Brodsky says:

    To #28 (oao):

    I think that anti-Semitism is actually much older than Christianity. An argument could be made that it reared its ugly head as early as ancient Egypt, before Moses led the Jews out of bondage.

  31. PBS: Jews Are Genetically Hardwired To Be Violent…

    Wow. Really? On January 9, 2009, Bill Moyers presented his thoughts on the Gaza situation. In it he (apparently) couldn’t resist connecting it to biblical issues. And in doing so, he revealed an appalling, and for someone steeped in……

  32. Ben Hur says:

    It does not say, “Thou Shall Not Kill” in the 10 Commandments.

    It says, “Thou Shall not MURDER.”

    Though I didn’t expect Moyers to be up on his Hebrew.

  33. Ken Mueller says:

    It may be unnecessary, but I feel compelled to mention the gross “LaMarckism” in Moyers’ argument: that is, that an organism can pass on characteristics that it acquired during its lifetime to its offspring.

  34. [...] Landes at “Augean Stables” draws attention to this gem from Moyers’s Journal, from his January 9 interview with Barack Obama: What we are seeing [...]

  35. Bill Moyers: Jews are genetically-coded for violence…

    Bill Moyers: Jews are genetically-coded for violence…

  36. oao says:

    It may be unnecessary, but I feel compelled to mention the gross “LaMarckism” in Moyers’ argument: that is, that an organism can pass on characteristics that it acquired during its lifetime to its offspring.

    that’s what ignorance induced by religion will do.

    Though I didn’t expect Moyers to be up on his Hebrew.

    i’m sure he uses the correct term for christians.

    I think that anti-Semitism is actually much older than Christianity. An argument could be made that it reared its ugly head as early as ancient Egypt, before Moses led the Jews out of bondage.

    if the biblical narratives can be deemed historically accurate I stand corrected.

  37. Adam says:

    As a Christian,

    I found Moyer’s piece quite revealing based upon what I have read from the Frank Rich’s, the Ezra Klein’s, the J-Streeters, etc., of this world, not to mention the 70% Jewish constituency that voted for Obama after Biden voiced “Get used to the idea of a nuclear Iran”?

    These folks named above have precipitated this and now these ideas have grown roots as fact gaining more momentum each day. By way of this, the Jews, not Israel but American Jews have turned me completely off of any support at this unfortunate point. First time in 50 years.

    I have found these Jewish citizens of this Nation identified and named above are giving me and my constituency more isometrics and push back regarding our support of Israel than any Arab or Muslim constituency. Why is that?

    Get it together my Jewish friends with cohesion and continuity or you will be facing an uncertain future if not already. Good luck Israel with my prayers but not much else going forward. I remain…..

    W. A.

  38. NCchick says:

    America’s Conscience(tm) has a Kinsley Moment here: The liberal establishment is under such stress over the possibility that Israel might succeed in protecting her own people that they are letting the mask slip a little. The latest is Bill Moyers……
    Well said…most of the people I know are cheering on Israel and the IDF while condeming Hamas and other groups like them. Moyers would not dare to comment on the koran.

  39. Roger T says:

    Bill Moyers suggests that Arabs are Bastard Jews, and God genetically coded Jews too kill the Bastards. So why are there so many Arabs living in peace and prosperity with in Israel?

  40. Cynic says:

    He had the gall to say that since Biblical times God-soaked violence became genetically coded into Jews and […]

    Correctly put it should be “Since Mohammad’s time Allah soaked violence has become genetically encoded into Muslims”.
    Some 70 million Hindus they slaughtered in their occupation of the Indian sub continent. And how many millions of others in the past 1400 years?
    Just look at the inter Muslim slaughter (Iraq/Iran; Egypt/Yemen; Algeria etc.)

    Mr Moyers is the type to have a tree or a rock warn one about!

  41. Michael B says:

    “it should never be forgotten that ant-semitism was invented by christianity.” oao

    You’re indulging the same myopia, pathology and rationale that anti-Semites indulge. Supremely content with it, to the point of obduracy, but that merely reflects upon the degree of indulgence, not the type.

    Your “self-criticism” has hit a dead-end. And if you believe Moyers’ inanity has some type of Christian roots, rather than much more contemporary, politically correct roots, you’re similarly myopic and/or indulgent.

    The irony is your own contorted sense in these areas is itself reflective of a religio-secularism, to indulge the pejorative sense you’re using.

  42. Seva Brodsky says:

    To oao (#36): “if the biblical narratives can be deemed historically accurate I stand corrected.”

    Apparently, there is some archeological evidence to suggest that Jews did indeed live in Egypt for some time, and that they were enslaved at some point.

    Actually, the Tanakh (the Torah, the Old Testament), appears to be reasonably accurate and the statements therein seem to be corroborated by the archeological findings. The dates don’t always match, but the places, events, and even people’s names seem to most of the time.

    Mind you, I am an agnostic Jew, so I take such things with a healthy doze of skepticism, but it is quite amazing how accurate and informative the old book is much of the time, no matter who authored it.

  43. Seva Brodsky says:

    To #37 (Adam): “As a Christian, … I have found these Jewish citizens of this Nation … are giving me and my constituency more isometrics and push back regarding our support of Israel than any Arab or Muslim constituency. Why is that?”

    Adam, there are several reasons for this:

    1. Most of them are secular (or atheists), and view any believers with suspicion.

    2. Most of these secular U.S. Jews are Leftists, or self-described “liberal progressives — there is nothing truly Liberal or Progressive about them — whereas most believing Christians, especially those who support Israel, are Conservatives.

    3. Many of them are also suspicious of the true motives of Christian Zionists. To be fair, I have to say that there are some such Christians who do want to convert the Jews, but I doubt they constitute the majority. There are large numbers of genuine Christian friends of Israel who have no such aspirations whatsoever, and they are absolutely wonderful. I have met such Christians, both in the U.S. and here in Israel. The Christian Embassy in Jerusalem is our good and reliable friend.

    Please, Adam, do not judge them too harshly. To borrow from your book, “Forgive them, O Lord, for the know not what they are doing.”

    They have been brainwashed for so long, and identify with the Left at least as strongly as with their “Jewishness” (if not more) that it is hard to expect much in the way of common sense or clear logic from these “useful idiots.” I, as a Jew, am ashamed of them.

    “By way of this, the Jews, not Israel but American Jews have turned me completely off of any support at this unfortunate point. First time in 50 years. … Get it together my Jewish friends with cohesion and continuity or you will be facing an uncertain future if not already. Good luck Israel with my prayers but not much else going forward.”

    Please do continue helping Israel — we need all the help we can get, and American Christians (especially Evangelicals) are the best friends Israel ever had (including President Bush, most of the time) — NOT American Jews, I’m sorry to say.

    The political spectrum among Jews in Israel is much more sane, varied and balanced than in the U.S. — there are many more centrists and center-Right people here than there are hopelessly incurable leftists.

    One word in defense of the leftist American Jews, though — they are quite active these days in voicing their support of Israel (and maybe even actual physical support, current financial crisis notwithstanding — crisis that was brought about by the irresponsible Left) in this difficult time of war against Hamas, and even the usually lame and politically correct Jewish “leadership” is finally doing some good (they were much more missing in action during the last Lebanon war against Hizbullah).

    So please don’t give up on us! We really do need your support — moral, political and otherwise. You can see how unreasonable, stupid, immoral, duplicitous, hypocritical and hateful much of the world is with respect to Israel, and your voice does count. Israel doesn’t have many friends in this sick and twisted world, so please do not leave us, especially in our hour of need.

    And God bless America. Really.

    Thank you,
    Seva in Jerusalem

  44. E.G. says:

    oao #21 – I totally agree. That soviet agit-prop has long lived and seems to have more than one lifetime.

    JD #25 – Anti-semitism is alive in Eastern Europe. It’s just not been kicking recently because many E. Europe countries made efforts in order to get into the EU.

  45. Adam says:

    Just a correction issue here– Mahmoud ABBAS didn’t say the Gaza operation gave Muslims the license to kill every Jew. It was a Hamas guy, Mahmoud ZAHAR:

    ***”They have legitimised the murder of their own children by killing the children of Palestine,” Mahmoud Zahar said in a televised broadcast recorded at a secret location. “They have legitimised the killing of their people all over the world by killing our people.”***

    You should probably correct the post

  46. E.G. says:

    Adam,

    Even if it were 100% American Jews voting for the Messiah, it’s still a tiny minority (of the US). So one can’t and shouldn’t blame the Jews for That One’s election. And a part of these Jewish Ovoters is not even pro-Israel. At any rate, American Jews and Israeli Jews are distinct. Their respective patriotisms have many common points, but they’re not all identical.

    More generally speaking, one needs to keep in mind that often, people don’t vote for someone or sthg but rather against someone or sthg else.

  47. JD says:

    OAO #26

    “I very much doubt it. It likely went dormant.”

    Let me be clearer. I’m not talking about anti-semitism in all its varieties. I’m talking about left-wing anti-semitism. It’s an internationalist outlook, a carry over from the Soviet Union.

    The verbiage of this faction ceased from the eastern states when Gorbachev turned off the machine.

    You want to see an example of left wing anti semitism struggle with itself? rent the movie “Munich”

  48. shamir says:

    yesterday desmond tutu
    noam chomksy
    jimmy carter
    today moyers
    and tomorrow who will that be???

    everybody should cry when any innocent is killed jewish arab
    who ever. we are all children of god and we shall never kill innocent civilians. no excuse!!! it is good to be outrage when civilians die.

  49. oao says:

    Get it together my Jewish friends with cohesion and continuity or you will be facing an uncertain future if not already.

    already.

    jews have not learned the lesson of the holocaust, in which case they should not complain when another comes.

    The verbiage of this faction ceased from the eastern states when Gorbachev turned off the machine.

    verbiage. not the thing itself. it’ll return with more than just verbiage.

    So why are there so many Arabs living in peace and prosperity with in Israel?

    are you sure? looks like when they perceived weakness they stopped living in peace too.

    mike b,

    please spare me the nonsense. the statement i made is empirically true. there are christian strains that still internalized antisemitism and now find the atmosphere to bring it to the fore. whoever compared moyers with carter was exactly right. nothing of this can be interpreted as me extending this argument to all christians. but whether you like it or not paul hijacked judaic jesus for his purposes and there is a core tension at christianity’s foundation.

    Mind you, I am an agnostic Jew, so I take such things with a healthy doze of skepticism, but it is quite amazing how accurate and informative the old book is much of the time, no matter who authored it.

    which is why i formulated my comment the way I did: I said “IF it is true, I stand corrected”.

    Most of them are secular (or atheists), and view any believers with suspicion.

    to me it looks like they espouse a form of social religion, religion without its requirements. anyway, I am a militant atheist and have not fallen in that trap and i know many other seculars who have not. it’s not ignorance and cowardice rather than lack of religiosity. just watch the exchange of the jewish and palestinian girls on CNN.

    the leftist argument i subscribe to.

    ir respective patriotisms have many common points, but they’re not all identical.

    oranges and horses — no resemblance whatsoever.

  50. lemonfemale says:

    Regarding religiously institutionalized violence, if you read the Bible you see the Israelites came into Canaan like the Japanese came into Nanking. However, the Israelis got over it. It’s stupid to blame an entire people for what their ancestors did 3,000 years ago.

  51. oao says:

    jd,

    regarding your #25 and my #26 reply “just watch”, check this out:

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024432.php

  52. Dennis Katz says:

    Its regrettable that you chose to depict Israel’s motivation in building a fence (96% fence-not a wall) and taking other defensive actions, to their need to “humiliate’” Palestinians. Depicting Israeli’s in this defamatory manner is unfounded, you provide no proof that Israelis are cruel people. I am sorry that you believe this.

    In fact, the dramatic reduction in suicide bombings and Israeli deaths since the fence has been built demonstrates that the fence is a highly effective means of reducing the number of Israeli civilian deaths without killing anyone on the other side. Hundreds of Israeli civilian lives have been saved since its construction. It is Palestinian terror and violence that has built this fence, not Israel’s need to “humiliate” them.

    On the one hand, Mr. Moyers, you object to Israeli’s defending themselves through military means and on the other you defame them when they use other non-lethal means. If you are truly concerned about saving civilian lives I would hope your concern extends to Israeli civilians.

  53. Mafwoj says:

    @ 43 Well as a conservative Christian I believe the Jewish people Are GOD’s Conspiracy ;)

    As for Moyers:
    He was right About genetics being involved in that Passage

    But his interpretation is COMPLETELY Backwards from reality
    (both them and now)

    I suggest you all sit down with a set of maps and the passage he referenced. You may notice some interesting parallels between
    Where the Jewish people Failed to wipe out certain tribes and the current situation(s)
    PBS: Interesting what they do and don’t let on (FG)

  54. Cynic says:

    Roger T,

    So why are there so many Arabs living in peace and prosperity with in Israel?

    Biding their time until they are called upon to turn nasty. Actually they did start up a bit at the beginning of this month until they were reminded of October 2000 and the damage they caused themselves. And then as normal they howled and cried that they were the victims.

  55. Cynic says:

    I can just see them when they lose a basketball game, singing together in the stadium We are the Victims!

  56. Bill Stewart says:

    Why did you choose to end your transcript where you did? Perhaps because it doesn’t fit your narrative and your zeal to smear an honest man. When you go back to the original statement (it’s at about the 5:12 mark for those of you who would rather skip over other sober and interesting thoughts on the Gaza violence), Moyers’ next words are: “A radical stream of Islam now seeks to eliminate Israel from the face of the earth.” It’s clear with anyone of even middling intelligence that Moyers is not singling out Jews but in fact the rooting out a biblical source of violence encoded in the human race in general. I’m thrilled at Conservatives’ new found zeal to root out anti-Semitism (because we all know where traditionally anti-semitism has resided in this country), but I don’t think it’s too much to ask you to exercise a little of dignity and rigour in your readings and analysis. Moyers could have been more precise, you can question his theological acumen, but I think it’s pretty clear that Moyers is not being anti-Semitic.

    Moyers has responded to the disingenuous and lazy charges make by the likes of people around here.

  57. chava says:

    The Torah that most non-Jews and many Jews are familiar with is only the written part of the Torah. It was never meant to be read. It was meant to be learned together with the rest of what was given to us and was passed down through the ages. It certainly was never meant to be quoted out of context. The quote that Moyers used had to do with the nation entering the land that HaShem was giving to them. It required cleansing from the pagan worship that had been going on there. That was a one-time command, which wasn’t entirely carried out, not a hard-wiring. It in no way leads to a genetic predisposition for violence. We certainly haven’t acted on any predisposition for violence if we have one. Look a little more carefully at history. And then look at the past eight years especially, but also those before.

  58. Concrete man says:

    Good for Bill Moyers one of the few people to be able to expose the evils of Judaism in the mainstream. When Orthodox Jewish Rabbis in israel command the “carpet bombing” of innocent civilians in Gaza is this not evidence of the inherent pathology of Zionism, a logical extention of two thousand years of Talmudic insanity which teaches hatred of Gentiles? Mr. Such and such teaches a course on “anti Semitism” Ha? Where are the courses on anti Gentilism, or on Jewish Supremicism as exposed by the late Israel Shahak or the new book by Michael A. Hoffman, Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti Bibilical Religion of Racism, Self Worship, Superstition and Deceit? Why won’t the Jewish owned media and run academic institutions review this book? Because it is “anti semitic” or because the Judaics do not want to be exposed as in inherently hateful religion?

  59. Seva Brodsky says:

    To Bill Stewart (#56):

    “I’m thrilled at Conservatives’ new found zeal to root out anti-Semitism (because we all know where traditionally anti-semitism has resided in this country)”

    Mr. Stewart, this is old news — Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. has purged Conservatism of anti-Semitism many years ago. You allusion to the times past is hardly relevant anymore.

  60. Seva Brodsky says:

    To Concrete man (#59):

    Dear Ladies and Gents,

    Let us welcome to our midst a peculiar creature that crawled out from the dark beneath some musty and slimy rock. This particular specimen of the known variety goes by the name of “Concrete man.”

    More of his rants may be found by following some of the links at http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Concrete+man%22+israel+palestine&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

    Welcome to the civilized world, oh alien creature! Earth greets you! Tell us all, please do! For you seem to possess incredible knowledge and deep insights into the affairs of our simple planet and its singularly vile species, commonly referred to as “The Jews,” who appear to profess an evil ancient cult called “Judaism,” which has brought so much misery unto this planet. Please tell us now what you really think — we cling to your every word!

  61. oao says:

    It’s clear with anyone of even middling intelligence that Moyers is not singling out Jews but in fact the rooting out a biblical source of violence encoded in the human race in general.

    it is not clear at all. if that were the case, he had a strange way to express it, particularly in the atmosphere of increasing demonization of the jews in the world. moyers is not unskilled in expressing things, so at best he was negligent in his verbiage here, which creates a distinct unpleasant impression.

    I’m thrilled at Conservatives’ new found zeal to root out anti-Semitism (because we all know where traditionally anti-semitism has resided in this country)

    nobody has monopol on anti-semitism. but the fact remains that currently it’s the left which expresses a most vile form of it. and in that they associate with the most primitive, barbaris forces which are total anatema to what the left is supposed to be about. they have the reality completely upside down.

    concrete man,

    looks like your name comes from the material of which the content of your head is made. your comments are completely disconnected from reality.

    seva,

    Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. has purged Conservatism of anti-Semitism many years ago. You allusion to the times past is hardly relevant anymore.

    with all due respect to WB, nobody can be that efficient erasing antisemitism. soem of the right has realized who the real villains are, but there are enough of them left who are now coming out of under the rocks.

    antisemitism is the response of societies to crises: scapegoating. america is now in free fall, so the joos are invoked almost automatically as a cause.

  62. sw says:

    Anyone is entitled to interpret the bible anyway they want, but no biblical scholar would agree with Moyers. Every other line in the bible is: “God said to Moses…God told the children of Israel…” Are we genetically coded to do everything it says in the bible? And if Ishmael is also decended from Abraham, don’t the Arabs have this same genetic code? Mr. Moyers conflicts with himself. Nurture is much more important than nature here, and I guarantee that somewhere in the world at this very moment, there is a Moslem cleric inciting violence against non-moslems. I am also writing to PBS. I certainly will not contribute to them this year unless there is a satisfactory apology, and time for a rebuttal. Please let PBS know if you are unhappy with their programing.

  63. oao says:

    I certainly will not contribute to them this year unless there is a satisfactory apology, and time for a rebuttal.

    that’s something that every jew and decent person should do.

    frankly, the quality of PBS has gone so low in the last several years and I do not see a good reason to support them anyway.

  64. da wolfe says:

    “with all due respect to WB, nobody can be that efficient erasing antisemitism.” -oao

    Probably true, but I do think something essential changed on the right and WB was part of that. I’m pretty familiar with the right-wing Canadian blogs (and write one) and I don’t believe there is one blogger with even an undercurrent of antisemitism. That hasn’t been true for the left. A few blogs were removed from the Liberal party unofficial blogroll but it seems a majority of those actively blogging about it think Israel is at fault. It reminds me of George Jonas saying in his memior that the locus of antisemitism has shifted to the left. And the tone has really distubed me at some points. Eric Margolis is the Sun newspaper chain’s foreign affairs writer, kind of their ‘pet’ left winger, and he has referred to Israel’s using the rocket attacks as an excuse for a “final solution campaign” for Hamas.

    Sickness.

    But of course, it’s also just in the air on the left to always blame the ‘western’ or more powerful. I’m partly letting off a little steam to say this: to many of them, Hamas are just too brown to have the capacity to make moral choices like not trying to kill innocent people. Really, that is what’s obviously racist to me.

  65. Ali Ünlü says:

    Why do you do to Islam what you reject for Judaism? You know it very well that the religion has nothing to do with it in either side: it is only politics and politician’s using religion as a tool for their aims.

    You ruined an excellent article on Bill Moyers’ misreading of religious texts by misreading the Qoran yourself.

    What a pity!

  66. Murat Kurt says:

    Philosopher Carl Popper redefined scientific methodology, so that, when there is a verbal piece of nonsense that looks acceptable, you look at numbers to push the reality into everyones’ eyes. Number of Palestinians killed so far: around 1200. Still nobody knows how many are Hamas militants. Let’s look another number: number of Israelis killed: 8, 10, less than 5???
    As Nobel Prize winnder Orhan Pamuk said lately: “There is no clash of civilizations. West is, either because scared or because feels disturbed, killing Muslims”.
    As Jürgen Todenhofer puts forward, in the last two hundred years, not even a single Muslim country attacked a non-Muslim country.
    Numbers always show truth!
    If you look at numbers better you will see that war starters are laughing you guys with their butts. I know for sure that previous administration did not give a damn to Bible when they started the war in Iraq. But all -poor- churches supported it. Same is true for Israel. Who built Israel cares about Torah? Nonsense. People of faith should open their eyes and stop discussing whose book supports/condems violence.!
    Wake up believers!

  67. oao says:

    murat,

    800,000 israelis have been terrorized daily and their economy disrupted for 8 years, children as well as adults have been mentally destroyed and you, idiot as you are, talk to me about numbers?

    if anything like the barrage that the israelis have faced were done to your communities you would be the first to pee in your pants and scream foul, do something.

    numbers per se are nothing. it’s their INTERPRETATION that give them meaning. yours is antisemitic.

    would you be more happy if the israelis shot into ghaza a rocket at random each time one reached israel? would it be Ok if the israelis send a suicide bomber each time hamas sent one?

    to be so ignorant and stupid is a real talent.

  68. oao says:

    ali,

    tell me that jihad is not an obligation of all muslims. tell me that muhammad did not call for the killing of jews. tell me that islam is not supremacist and that jiziya/dhimmitude is not the proper world arrangement.
    tell me that osama or hamas are theologically incorrect in the quotes of the quran which they invoke to justify their action.

    why is it that you muslims criticize the infidels when they quote the qoran, but never the jihadis when they quote exactly the same things.

    give me a break.

  69. oao says:

    Are we genetically coded to do everything it says in the bible?

    no, but because the quran is immutable, the muslims are very close to it.

  70. oao says:

    “Azad Ali is considered a high profile ‘moderate’ Muslim who is trustee of the East London Mosque & London Muslim Centre, among many posts.” And yet he believes that jihad, involving killing unbelievers, is his religious obligation. In this he shows what I have said again and again, and have been called “Islamophobic” for saying: that there is no reliable way to distinguish between Muslims who accept Western pluralism and non-establishment of religion on the one hand, and jihadists on the other. And this is because Muslim authorities themselves have not worked to distinguish the two by declaring the jihadists outside the fold of orthodox Islam. They cannot do that at all, of course, because to do so would be to repudiate so much of the teachings of the Qur’an and Sunnah, and all the schools of jurisprudence.

  71. oao says:

    the same mr. ali also said:

    “people who blame the Palestinians or Hamas for the Gaza attacks ‘are like sick men or women who blame the woman who has been raped, saying she brought it upon herself’.[...]”

    how ironic: we know what muslims families do with women that were raped, don’t we?

  72. Murat Kurt says:

    oao; you little genius, thanks for letting me do this:
    * Assassination of government official outside Palestine: first used against the British in Cairo, 6 November, 1944 when Lord Moyne, Secretary of State, was assassinated by the Stern Gang. Yitzhak Shamir, a member of the Irgun and later leader of the Stern Gang was behind the plan.
    * Blowing up government offices with their civilian employees and visitors: first used against the British in Jerusalem, 22 July, 1946. The toll was 91 Britons, and 46 injured in King David Hotel. Begin, who masterminded and carried out the attack admitted that the massacre was coordinated with and carried out under the instruction of the Haganah.
    * Murder of hostages as a reprisal for government actions: first used against the British in Natanya area on 29/30 July, 1947 and making a booby trap out of their bodies. The note left with the bodies read: “This is the sentence of the Irgun’s High Command”.

  73. Murat Kurt says:

    oao; The only terrorist state in Middle East is israel. That state was built by two terrorist organizations Irgun and Stern Gang by bombing and killing. For instance:
    “The King David Hotel bombing was a deadly bomb attack by the Irgun, a militant Zionist group, on the headquarters of the British Mandatory authorities of Palestine, located at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. The offensive was carried out on 22 July 1946 and was the deadliest attack against the British during the Mandate era (1920-1948).”

  74. Murat Kurt says:

    oao; and since you do not know how to count, I will help you a little here: number of Palestinians packed into an area 10km 40km is 1 500 000 and evey second they are under opression, risk of death.
    Well, my talent is not being stupid and ignorant. It does not even suit you because it would be an insult to stupids and ignorants to call you stupid and ignorant… With peace, with love, with grace microscopic organelle!

  75. oao says:

    da wolfe,

    it probably has much to do with the collapse of USSR and the iron curtain. the left, having lost their war on capitalism and liberal democracy has been looking for alternative ways to demolish it. they found kindred souls in the jihadis, which have become the new oppressed by the west. they became allies and israel, the rep. of capitalism in the ME, the new oppressors.

    the left has no justification for being without some oppressor and oppressed. it MUST find some.

    there isn’t much difference between the extreme right and left, as nazi and soviet fascism has demonstrated. both extremes have been antisemitic, the only new aspect is that now even the non-extreme left is so.

    the only thing that unifies arabs is hatred of jews. it turns out that this is also what unifies the rest of the world.

  76. oao says:

    murat,

    you’re an ignorant indiot.

  77. oao says:

    you can count all you want. it’s the interpretation you give the number that counts. and the fact that you are unaware of that says everything about your level of intellect.

    you’re right. there is no proper term to use for your ignorance and stupidity. you’re off the scale.

  78. Murat Kurt says:

    I know a zionist organelle like “oao” will never accept it so I am not wasting my time with him. I am quite sure that careful eyes have not missed that he is accepting all the historical and numerical facts I put forward, still, all he does is yelling “accept my interpretations”.

    For others: I go to churches, synagogues, talk to people there. The only group of people I can not discuss anything is zionists. Why? Because: israel is a military country built by terrorists and unfortunately those terrorists’ descendants are still governing that country. israel’s foreign affairs minister Tzipi Livni for instance: “Born in Tel Aviv, Livni is the daughter of Eitan Livni (born in Poland) and Sara Rosenberg, both prominent former Irgun members.”

    And Irgun: “Irgun (Hebrew: shorthand for HaIrgun HaTzva’i HaLe’umi BeEretz Yisra’el,”National Military Organization in the Land of Israel”) was a militant Zionist group that operated in Palestine between 1931 and 1948. It was established as a militant offshoot of the earlier and larger Jewish paramilitary organization Haganah (Hebrew: “The Defense”).”

    “Irgun was described as a terrorist organization by the New York Times[2][3], the Anglo-American Committee of Enquiry[4], and prominent world and Jewish figures, such as Winston Churchill[5], Hannah Arendt, Albert Einstein, and many others[6].”

    Believers should not be trapped into “my book is better/your book is worse” discussions. They are being laughed at when they do!

  79. Seva Brodsky says:

    Murat Kurt,

    The Irgun gave a half-hour warning of the bombing (similar to what the IDF does these days, btw) by calling the offices of The Palestine Post (later to become The Jerusalem Post), the British military office, and another office, whose name escapes me just now.

    Well, the snooty Brits did not believe the Jews. After all, how could these primitive colonial savages carry off such a thing? They had a few good chuckles about it. The Arabs working at King David Hotel, however, knew right away the Jews were serious and bolted from the building, thus saving their own lives.

    Begin and Irgun wanted to send the Brits a clear signal, and did not want to incur casualties — THAT’s why they called in advance. The Brits took their lives into their own arrogant hands and lost.

    The Jews, guided by their Jewish culture based on Judaism, have always tried to avoid enemy civilian casualties (British and Arab), whereas the Arabs, guided by their Muslim culture based on the Quran, did exactly the opposite.

    So please shove your pseudo-moralistic preaching, won’t you? You picked a wrong audience here, and are wasting your time. Save your breath for some useful idiots out there, of whom, alas, there are legions.

  80. Murat Kurt says:

    Warning like let me think, like UN building and UN school.. ooor like this:
    “Have we forgotten the 17,500 dead – almost all civilians, most of them children and women – in Israel’s 1982 invasion of Lebanon; the 1,700 Palestinian civilian dead in the Sabra-Chatila massacre; the 1996 Qana massacre of 106 Lebanese civilian refugees, more than half of them children, at a UN base; the massacre of the Marwahin refugees who were ordered from their homes by the Israelis in 2006 then slaughtered by an Israeli helicopter crew; the 1,000 dead of that same 2006 bombardment and Lebanese invasion, almost all of them civilians?”

    Damn, I am stupid, I am idiot. I can not understand what these mean. I should be zionist/terrorist to grasp!

    Believers should not be trapped into “my book is better/your book is worse” discussions. They are being laughed at when they do!

  81. Seva Brodsky says:

    Ali Ünlü,

    “You know it very well that the religion has nothing to do with it in either side: it is only politics and politician’s using religion as a tool for their aims.”

    Are you really THAT stupid, or do you merely pretend to be? Religion has EVERYTHING to do with it, because it forms the basis of the culture, and the culture dictates a society’s morality, ethics, values, and behavior.

    There is a compelling reason why the West today is known as Judeo-Christian — it is basically a humanistic philosophy, which was invented by the Jews some three thousand years ago.

    Then there is a compelling reason why the Arab and larger Muslim world are so screwed up and violent — the Quaran is the foundation of that culture, with all the resultant repercussions.

    “You ruined an excellent article on Bill Moyers’ misreading of religious texts by misreading the Qoran yourself.”

    Lord, I am so sick and tired of Muslims accusing me of “misreading” the Quran! One of my favorites, used a few times on me by NON-ARAB Muslims, is that since I cannot read Arabic I cannot really understand the depth and beauty of the Quran. What a load of horseshit, especially given that they themselves know just about as much Arabic as I do.

    For that matter, Christians are misreading the Bible — after all, most of them do not know ancient Greek and Latin and Hebrew and Aramaic. And those Jews who do not know ancient Hebrew and Aramaic are misreading the Torah, etc.

    Why don’t you crawl back into the same little hole from whence Concrete Man crawled out? What are you feeble-minded creeps doing here anyway? Looking to pick up a fight? Find somebody your own size, amoebas.

  82. Seva Brodsky says:

    For the record, this is the loooong letter I submitted to the PBS ombudsman at http://www.pbs.org/ombudsman/feedback.html

    Dear Mr. Getler:

    Having blown off steam at the ridiculous statements by Bill Moyers in my previous short submission (quoted in full below), I would like to move on to the substantive issues at hand, as I believe them to be very important. I have read your column (“Moyers Reflects, Viewers React” at http://www.pbs.org/ombudsman/) with much interest, and while appreciating and applauding your honest efforts, I would like to point out some flaws in your knowledge and reasoning, as well as those of Bill Moyers. I assume you not to be a Biblical scholar, nor do I take you for an international law attorney, Middle East historian, or an experienced political analyst — the same assumption (nay, certainty) that is applicable to Bill Moyers. First of all, I would like to address the following Moyers’ statement:

    “What we are seeing in Gaza is the latest battle in the oldest family quarrel on record. Open your Bible: the sons of the patriarch Abraham become Arab and Jew. Go to the Book of Deuteronomy. When the ancient Israelites entered Canaan their leaders urged violence against its inhabitants. The very Moses who had brought down the commandment ‘Thou shalt not kill’ now proclaimed, ‘You must destroy completely all the places where the nations have served their gods. You must tear down their altars, smash their pillars, cut down their sacred poles, set fire to the carved images of their gods, and wipe out their name from that place.’ So God-soaked violence became genetically coded. A radical stream of Islam now seeks to eliminate Israel from the face of the earth. Israel misses no opportunity to humiliate the Palestinians with checkpoints, concrete walls, routine insults, and the onslaught in Gaza.”

    1. The actual Sixth Commandement states “לא תרצח” (“Do not murder”) rather than “לא תהרוג” (“Do not kill”). I am sure one does not need to be a criminal lawyer to see the vast difference between the two. The first one certainly does not take away the right to self-defense, whereas one could argue about the second one (and lose the argument anyway).

    2. We live in different times, and what may have been acceptable three thousand years ago is no longer deemed proper. Besides, in spite of the Torah (Tanach, The Old Testament) being filled with bloody deeds of the ancient Hebrews, the Jewish sages have interpreted away such violence, thereby making the Jews a reasonably peaceful and democratic people. The Torah is not full of cries for vengeance and of calls to slaughter of non-Jews (in contrast to the Quran). In fact, the old maxim of “an eye for an eye” has been interpreted by the Jewish scholars of long ago to mean that a compensation must be paid for physical harm done to person(s). While studying law, I attended a few classes on Judaism, where I discovered that the Talmud was the source of modern common law, with a multitude of quarks and variations covered within the Talmudic case law.

    3. Mind you, even taking Moyers’ quote verbatim, “… The very Moses who had brought down the commandment ‘Thou shalt not kill’ now proclaimed, ‘You must destroy completely all the places where the nations have served their gods. You must tear down their altars, smash their pillars, cut down their sacred poles, set fire to the carved images of their gods, and wipe out their name from that place[,]’” I do not understand how Moyers was able to read into this directive to destroy pagan symbols his unfounded (and totally idiotic) claim that “… God-soaked violence became genetically coded[,]” to say nothing of the commonly known scientific fact that a behavior cannot be genetically programmed.

    A culture, however, can be societally programmed — this is exactly what is happening with the Palestinian Arab children, as they are being indoctrinated with hatred to the Jews from the time they are able to speak and walk, both in their schools and by the Arab media. To put it differently, if an Arab child were to be adopted at an early age by a Jewish family, s/he would likely grow up a Zionist, whereas a Jewish child growing up in an extremist Muslim Arab family may grow up to become a shahid.

    4. While correctly stating that “A radical stream of Islam now seeks to eliminate Israel from the face of the earth[,]” Moyers continues to claim that “Israel misses no opportunity to humiliate the Palestinians with checkpoints, concrete walls, routine insults, and the onslaught in Gaza.” Did Moyers and you ask yourselves why and when those checkpoints, wire fences and concrete walls (which account for less than 10% of the overall security fence, and which are only erected where it is impossible to install a wire fence for various tactical reasons and land issues) were created? The answer, of course, is an obvious and well-known one — Palestinian Arab terrorism brought it about in the years that followed the misguided Oslo efforts. After having hundreds of its civilians murdered in cold blood by Palestinian Arabs, Israel decided that enough is enough, and began unilaterally erecting the security barrier to protect itself. Yes, this is sad, and yes, these fences and walls are ugly and divisive. But it is certainly a better choice than losing lives to indiscriminate, deliberate, premeditated murder. Yes, murder — not merely killing.

    5. Regarding Moyers’ accusation of indiscriminate killing by Israel, it is not only questionable, let alone inflammatory — it is an outright and blatant lie. Israeli Defense Forces take an extreme precaution, unprecedented in the annals of military history, to protect enemy civilian population. The IDF warns the civilian population to flee the areas to be attacked — including a warning to Nizar Rayan, “one of Hamas’ top five decision-makers, … instantly killing him in addition to four of his wives and nine of his 12 children.” Rayan CHOSE to stay on the roof of his house along with his family, defiance and in hope that Israel would not dare kill his family. He grossly miscalculated.

    When a targeted assassination is about to take place, Israeli leadership must convene and make a decision about the proportionality of the action. Often enough such acts of justifiable retribution are precluded from taking place for fear of high civilian death toll. When Israeli pilots shoot a guided missile at the intended military target, it sometimes happens that in the few brief moments between the launch and impact a child or a woman, etc., appear in the cross-hairs of the pilot. Pilots have been known to divert the missiles elsewhere, trying to save the life of the innocents.

    I would suggest you read the following interview with an international law expert: “Q and A on rules of war” (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231950869516&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull) and two articles by a famous liberal lawyer Alan Dershowitz: “Israel’s actions are lawful and commendable” (http://cgis.jpost.com/Blogs/dershowitz/entry/israel_s_actions_are_lawful) and “Israel is well within its rights” (http://cgis.jpost.com/Blogs/dershowitz/entry/israel_is_well_within_its).

    BTW, once one side’s military chooses a civilian installation (such as a school, hospital, etc.) as a place to shoot from (in violation of Geneva Conventions), such a building becomes a legitimate military target, and the onus of blame falls on the side that choses to use civilians as human shields. This is a well-established principle in international law, which is similar to regular criminal law, which holds criminals responsible for civilian deaths due to the acts of law enforcement agencies.

    There were a number of such incidents when Hamas (and other Palestinian Arab groups) chose to shoot from civilian areas. They are to be held responsible for civilian losses — NOT Israel.

    6. Speaking of innocents, Arabs of Gaza overwhelmingly (and reasonably democratically) voted for Hamas over Fatah (the latter being yet another blood-thirsty Jew-hating entity) for a variety of reasons. In 1933, the Germans democratically elected Hitler to power. This fact played no part in what followed: the Allies systematically destroyed not only German strategic and military targets, but wiped out whole cities from the air — Munich, Frankfurt, Dusseldorf, Bremen, etc. The fact that the Nazis came to power reasonably democratically made no difference to the Allies, as the enemy had to be either subdued or destroyed. The dropping of two nuclear bombs on two Japanese cities with the subsequent loss of tens of thousands of civilians, precluded a much worse catastrophe that would have befallen both millions of Japanese civilians and countless thousands of American and Russian soldiers. Thus, the fact that Hamas was ELECTED by its constituency places the burden of responsibility for its actions on that constituency. The following article illustrates this point quite well: “People of Gaza, You Got What You Voted For – Stop Complaining” by JR Dieckmann (http://www.greatamericanjournal.com/editor/archives/PeopleofGazaYouGotWhatYouVotedFor-StopComplaining.htm).

    7. You wrote: “When I messaged Moyers to ask what is his support for such a statement [indiscriminate killing by Israel of Arab civilians], the answer I got was, “The judgment of a veteran observer who has been spending hours reading and watching scores of reports from Gaza in print, on the web, and on television.” That was it. So I assume, perhaps wrongly, that the source/observer was Moyers. With all due respect, I don’t think that’s good enough.” It sure is not good enough. But then again, like I already said, Moyers is not an international law attorney, Middle East historian, or an experienced political analyst — he is merely a journalist. As for his sources — one does not have to look long and hard to find unreliable sources, New York Times and Washington Post included.

    8. You would do well to read the following carefully researched and referenced article, which brings up many important points, only some of which I have touched upon above: “Bill Moyers Rants Against Israel — And Jews” (http://camera.org/index.asp?x_context=3&x_outlet=18&x_article=1595) by Dexter Van Zile, who is a Christian and whose journalistic credentials are impeccable — I also happen to know him personally and can vouch for his integrity. Another article worthy of reading, which also has numerous references, is “PBS’ Bill Moyers Says Jews ‘God-Soaked Violence Became Genetically Encoded’” (http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2009/01/pbss-bill-moyers-says-jews-god-soaked.html).

    9. You further wrote: “It is a legitimate question, as I said earlier, as to whether Israeli military actions in this more than two-week-old offensive are disproportionate — in their dimensions and toll — to the Hamas rocket firings. In my opinion, they are disproportionate.” The links I provided above fully address the issue of proportionality. Suffice it to say that your opinion is not based on either facts, norms and customs of warfare, or international law. The mere fact that “The majority of … viewers reacting to last Friday’s closing commentary … are supportive of Moyers’ observations” does not mean that they are right — it is only indicative of a certain political bias of most of the PBS viewers. But this is an entirely different (and huge) issue — I am quite sure you are familiar with the ample and well-documented criticism of PBS, NPR. etc., done by CAMERA.org, which was based on extensive research, as well as similar criticism from a number of other media watchdog groups.

    10. Finally, and very importantly, the majority of the Arabs killed in Gaza are in fact illegal combatants — militants/terrorists not wearing uniforms and using civilian human shields. Estimates vary, but from what I have read about 75% of Arab casualties are either members of Hamas or other factions (Fatah fighting alongside Hamas, etc.). Such a low proportion of enemy civilian deaths is all the more amazing, given the density of the population and the preference of these armed bandits to use women, children, and foreign relief agencies as human shields.

    One such agency must be mentioned by name here — United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) — which has been providing much more than just humanitarian assistance to Arab civilian population of Gaza and the West Bank. There are numerous documented instances of UNWRA helping various Arab terrorist groups to fight Israel. UNWRA must be dismantled and replaced by the The UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) as UNWRA exists only to perpetuate the so-called “Palestinian refugee problem” — if there were no UNWRA, there would be no refugees now. And if the brethren of Palestinian Arabs in other neighboring Arabs countries (such as Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, etc.) followed the path of Jordan, which granted full citizenship rights to Palestinian refugees, then this “refugee problem” would have disappeared a long time ago. However, the so-called “refugee camps” still exist in those countries — 60 years after the conflict is over! In contrast, Israel has absorbed hundreds of thousands of Holocaust survivors and close to a million Jewish refugees from Arab countries, who had to flee Muslim persecution there.

    I apologize for the length of my letter, but I thought it very important to bring up all the various issues — after all, your letter was also quite long :-)

    I’ll end with two quotes:

    “We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.” — Golda Meir

    “There will be peace as soon as the Arabs stop fighting; there will be no Israel as soon as the Jews stop fighting.” — Benjamin Netanyahu

    Sincerely,
    Seva Brodsky

    —————–

    The following statement was submitted by me yesterday:

    Mr. Getler:

    I don’t know what Bill Moyers was thinking (if he indeed was thinking at all), but his comments — and the whole program, for that matter — were anti-Semitic. Either make him apologize publicly, or get rid of him for good. If you don’t, you’ll see your funding walk.

    Sincerely,
    Seva Brodsky
    An outraged Jew

  83. Murat Kurt says:

    Wouw wouw wouw!
    Some people smarter than Albert Einstein, Winston Churchill and some other Jews that I have not heard their names yet are visiting this forum!

    israel is a terrorist state. It is responsible for the distruction of Iraq, Palestine and 2 billion dollars of us.

    Believers should not be trapped into “my book is better/your book is worse” discussions. They are being laughed at when they do!

  84. Murat Kurt says:

    Sorry, 3 trillion dollars… 2 billion was spent in the first few seconds of the war…

  85. Seva Brodsky says:

    I guess I am not the only one having trouble reading the Quran:

    A couple comments following a good article by CAMERA’s Andrea Levin (“The truth about Hamas’s mission”) at http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/01/17/the_truth_about_hamass_mission/

    The Hamas charter is written in Arabic, it was never meant to be translated into Hebrew, English or other languages of infidels. You lose the entire context. Translations from Arabic into English cannot be trusted, omit the context of the struggle Palestinians face, and unfairly demonize the freedom fighters. People who publish Zionist propaganda like this should face severe punishment.
    by OldPoorRichard January 17, 6:48 PM

    OldPoorRichard, I must learn Arabic and accept Islam in order to understand the document? While I understand the aphorism, “walk a mile in my shoes”, isn’t this a little extreme? That the Founding Documents are to be read only by the believers sounds more like a secret society than a political party. Translations are unreliable. Must an infidel convert before he can read Arabic so his mental translations will be enlightened by his acceptance of Islam? If what you say is true, then the difficulties in negotiating with Islamist Arabs are no wonder.
    by rekording January 18, 6:30 AM

  86. Seva Brodsky says:

    Murat Kurt,

    You’re not worthy of my time. There are simply way too many idiots out there to waste one’s time on. Responding to you anymore would be giving you too much honor. And since you are of the honor-shame culture, I’ll rest my case here.

  87. Murat Kurt says:

    Funny monkey, why do you waste my time then? Who says you worth my time… please honor some terrorists. If you are confused with whom to start, knock her door: Tzipi Livni

    For the record, I made a little research on “Seva Brodsky” name. It has been famous with sending letters, threatening type. Here is the result I got with google:
    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2008/09/14/seva-brodsky-muslim-hater-and-provocateur-threatens-my-life/

    I know the people of synagogues, churches, mosques. They are all the same. They believe almost the same God, same goodness, same virtues/manners. Only faith abusers cause problems. Believers should not be trapped by their hypocrisy!

  88. E.G. says:

    Murat Kurt,

    How familiar are you with the Middle East? Have you ever visited the region?
    And, would you care to specify in what way your remarks regarding the Etsel are of any relevance to the present situation ?

  89. Murat Kurt says:

    E.G.;
    My country has a border with Syria, Iraq, Iran and some of its land is a part of the promised land crap! When I was in primary school, I do not even remember how old I was, I saw a news on TV. There were two Palestinians, handcuffed. IDF soldiers around them were kicking them. One IDF soldier took a stone from the ground and began hitting the poor young Palestinian man on his arm and chest. He was bleeding. This is the image of israel everywhere except two countries: USA & israel.
    I care about these because I am a human, I believe in justice. And what disturbs me most is to see how faith is being abused by those animals. They do not care even a bit about Torah or Bible or Qoran -or whatever you know and I do not. And they abuse it so well, so sneaky because they know the power of organized religion. As a man who has a faith in the Creator, I speak what I know. That’s all!
    For the wise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHtgYCS12ZE

  90. oao says:

    murat is a fine specimen of the ignorant and stupid antisemite who explains why the US and the west are in free fall.

    it should be treated as a troll and ignored.

  91. Murat Kurt says:

    oao;
    Would you be kind enough to read this page loudly for us please?
    http://books.google.com/books?id=wuY1wwtFXh4C&pg=PA95
    Before I leave, I hope some zionists do not take over this place. They seem so enthusiast to take over everywhere…
    With peace, with love, with grace buddy!

  92. oao says:

    They seem so enthusiast to take over everywhere…

    I dk whether to laugh or cry. Zionists control everything. Why, they have also invaded europe and the US and are trying to impose judaic law everywhere.

    One had to undertake labotomy to believe that.

  93. [...] his defense of his rant against Israel for its assault on innocent Palestinian civilians, Bill Moyers cited an incident that allegedly [...]

  94. Seva Brodsky says:

    Oh no, now I have to defend my good name against the ridiculous accusations of the likes of Murat Kurt? JTFC … (those who’ve seen “Team America” will know what this stands for :-)

    OK, it would appear that this “peaceful, lovable, and graceful” nitwit found an incriminating piece on me. OK, fine, whatever. Fortunately, I don’t have to waste any more of my time as I have responded to that ridiculous accusation a long time ago.

    I’ll let the readers be the judges — here is my response to that self-loathing uber-leftist “Jew” (by name only) Richard Silverstein — who, after calling me a “Muslim Hater and Provocateur” amazingly enough accused me of no less than threatening his life:

    http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=3215

    Now, those who want to know what I stand for are free to look up the stuff I’ve done and written — it’s all on Google.

    Apparently, Murat Kurt suffers from an acute case of tunnel vision, which is also distorted. But then again, this is hardly surprising, given the crap he’s posted here (and elsewhere, I’m sure). Taqiyya and Kitman, anyone? I’m sure that Arab art of dissembling made its way to Turkey, Murat’s home.

    I found a few of his rants elsewhere, but they are mostly in Turkish. Globalizing now, eh, Murat? Are you living in Germany now, by any chance? What brought you to this blog? A desire to fight? Unlike this brave warrior for Islam, I do not hide my identity.

    I sure hope Europe has enough common sense not to let Turkey into the EU. Otherwise there will be lots of murats running around there, ruining life for everyone around and turning good old Europe into Eurabia, God forbid!

  95. Bean says:

    I am amazed at the amount of anger and hatred generated on all of the blogging here.
    It is too bad this energy could not be used more constructively and towards a better result.

  96. Murat Kurt says:

    I thought Seva like people did not have time for Murat like people! Well, actually they do not have anything against Murat like people’s claims. This became quite funny because my searches after their posts made me smile: “God teaches the wise even with the flies”.
    Jews and Muslims and Turks was an interesting history lesson: http://www.sephardicstudies.org/sultans1.html

    Out of subject, I am a Kurd!

    Due to a typo in E.G.’s message, I could not find information regarding what he exactly referred to when he said EtSel. Figuring that out brought me here once more:

    ” In present-day Israel, Irgun is commonly referred to as EtZel (אצ”ל), an acronym of the Hebrew initials.

    Irgun attacks prompted a formal declaration from the World Zionist Congress in 1946, which strongly condemned ‘the shedding of innocent blood as a means of political warfare’.[11]
    Irgun was a political predecessor to Israel’s right-wing Herut (or ‘Freedom’) party, which led to today’s Likud party. Likud has led or been part of most Israeli governments since 1977.
    ….
    Active (Members):
    Moshe Feiglin (leader of the Manhigut Yehudit faction)
    David Levy
    Benny Begin
    Tal Brody
    Moshe Yaalon

    Past figures (deceased, retired or left Likud):
    Menachem Begin (1913 – 1992), former Prime Minister
    Geula Cohen
    Moshe Katsav, former President of Israel
    Michael Kleiner
    Uzi Landau
    Moshe Arens
    Tzipi Livni, Foreign Minister
    Shaul Mofaz, former Chief of the Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces and current Minister of Transportation
    Ehud Olmert, former Mayor of Jerusalem and current Prime Minister of Israel
    Moshe Shamir (1921 – 2004), author and playwright
    Yitzhak Shamir, former Prime Minister of Israel
    Natan Sharansky, former Russian dissident
    Ariel Sharon, former Prime Minister and Likud party leader (September 1999 – November 2005)
    Ezer Weizman (1924-2005), former President of Israel”

  97. oao says:

    I’m sure that Arab art of dissembling made its way to Turkey, Murat’s home.

    it did not have to make its way, it was there all the time. only the gullible infidels could believe that turkey could stay a secular democracy for long. erdogan did his best to hide his true nature in order to covertly islamize the country’s institutions, but could not help breaking into jihad mood when the dhimmi jews defended themselves.

    I am amazed at the amount of anger and hatred generated on all of the blogging here.

    why are you amazed? haven’t you observed the jihad that is happening all over the world?

    until you’ve got ignorant hateful antisemites coming to troll here, there is no hatred.

    Out of subject, I am a Kurd!

    so? you’re still ignorant and stupid. turks and arabs don’t have the monopoly on that.

  98. Seva Brodsky says:

    Not to respond to Marat (that would be too much honor; besides, whadda I care about him, anyway?), but to set the record straight for those honest inquisitive souls that may be reading this, when referring to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun entry, which states, in part, that:

    “Irgun attacks prompted a formal declaration from the World Zionist Congress in 1946, which strongly condemned “the shedding of innocent blood as a means of political warfare”.[11]”

    [11] “Zionists Condemn Palestine Terror”, New York Times (December 24, 1946). Retrieved on 18 November 2008. “The World Zionist Congress in its final session here strongly condemned by a vote early today terrorist activities in Palestine and “the shedding of innocent blood as a means of political warfare.”

    It is very important to realize the reasons and circumstances under which this statement was made. If anyone is really interested, one should look into “The Season” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunting_Season

    In general, the diaspora Jewry, and especially its leadership, which was rather weak in the knees, was afraid of the Irgun (a/k/a Etzel), which was led by Menachem Begin. Irgun, Lehi, and other Jabotinskyites were called “Revisionists” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_Zionism

    The leftist Jewish leadership had no love lost for the adherents of Begin & Co., and betrayed them to the British. Those Jewish “leaders” can be compared with their counterparts of today — the “enlightened” “liberal progressive” Jewish “leadership” — who treat Likud & Co. with much disdain and malignancy.

    Things didn’t seem to change much in the 60 or so years since those events. Were it not for Irgun’s (and Lehi’s) brave actions against the British and the Arabs, there might have not been Israel today. Yes, Hagana, Palmach, etc., played their huge part, BUT only AFTER Irgun/Lehi prompted and prodded them into action.

    The Revisionists were the ones who were adamant, uncompromising, brave, principled, and stubborn. They were much maligned by the Left then and still are by many today. One should pay a visit to the Menachem Begin Heritage Center in Jerusalem and read his books to fully appreciate what was going on then, and to understand the embarrassment those two small groups caused to the politically correct Jewish “leadership” of the day with their brave and relentless actions.

    It is easy to just call Irgun “terrorists” — but then one has to apply this term VERY loosely. They attacked legitimate MILITARY targets, and tried to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible. THIS is precisely why they warned the British about the impending bombing of the King David Hotel.

    In contrast, Hamas, Hizbullah, Fatah, Islamic Jihad, PFLP, and other assorted “freedom fighters” of the Palestinian Arab flavor do not deem such niceties as necessary. On the contrary, they actually prefer “soft” targets of unarmed civilians, women and children. THIS, Ladies and Gentlemen, is the TRUE face of terrorism.

    While on the subject, one also needs to mention the cynical and heartless use of their own civilians as human shields. This way, the brave Muslims warriors benefit twice — the protect themselves with their wives, sisters, mothers, and children, AND they also get the benefit of the compassionate “useful idiots” in the Western MSM, to say nothing of the ability to inflame and rally the support of the Arab and Muslim street.

    And the UN & Co has the gall to accuse Israel of violating Geneva Conventions and committing “war crimes”? But then again, what else is new? Israel seems to be the only country denied the right to defend her citizens. The world loves only the weak, oppressed, and dead Jews — not the live ones who are willing, ready, and able to defend themselves.

    A good answer to that world can be found here:

    http://fun.mivzakon.co.il/flash/video/2686/movie.html

  99. Seva Brodsky says:

    To Bean (#96):

    “I am amazed at the amount of anger and hatred generated on all of the blogging here.”

    Looking for someone to sing “Kumbaya” with, Bean? Go hug a tree.

    “It is too bad this energy could not be used more constructively and towards a better result.”

    Go tell it on the mountain, Bean — and make sure that all the Islamo-Fascists out there hear you plea.

    Does the “War of ideas” mean anything to you? How about PR? Hasbarah? Propaganda? What does Islamism mean to you?

    Look, Bean, I am a Classical Liberal — equal rights, blah-blah-blah. But when my little country is attacked by a bunch of vicious and bloodthirsty thugs driven by a supremacist and murderous ideology; when there is no shortage of aiders and abetters and useful idiots who help those gangsters; when the MSM fails demonstrably and miserably in doing honest reporting – please do not expect us to play “nice”, OK?

  100. Seva Brodsky says:

    As for “Jews and Muslims and Turks was an interesting history lesson: http://www.sephardicstudies.org/sultans1.html” — one should pay attention to the source: “This data has been provided by the Quincentennial Foundation of Istanbul” — being a dhimmi org in a not-so-democratic country, which enforced dhimmitude for centuries, hardly makes it an objective source, does it?

    Jews as dhimmis were always at the mercy of the sultans and other rulers, be they Ottoman or Arab. So what, should we now be grateful for not being killed? I am not so interested in the opinions of the “good” and “tame” Jews, thank you very much — I prefer those who speak the whole truth without fearing for their lives.

    Much better (more honest and reliable) sources, which hold nothing back, are Bat Ye’or (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_Ye%27or), Ibn Warraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Warraq), and Andrew Bostom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Bostom), among many others — their books are the REAL sources.

    Bernard Lewis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Lewis) is usually too politically correct to be honest all the way and to tell the whole story, but still, he is an important figure among the historians of the Middle East, and Turkey in particular.

  101. [...] caused a bit of stir when he remarked that Jews today were genetically predisposed to violence.  Richard Landes of Augean Stables provides the transcript of the Moyers remarks (and some excellent commentary in his post): Go to [...]

  102. [...] Richard Landes has a wonderful piece on it here. [...]

  103. mandie says:

    “…On the other hand, if any religion has violence embedded in its scriptural and behavioral codes, it’s Islam throughout its history, and especially now. That may be why Jews — in the diaspora and in Israel — are so adept at adapting to the rules of, and succeeding in, modern civil societies, and why Arabs and Muslims are such failures.”

    This is so true! One cannot use the historical religious influences “card” when referring to the Jews and ignore it altogether for Islam! Barbaric violence, even to their own, seems embedded genetically and stems from a fanatical devotion to their their religion.

    I’m a non-Jew. I am appalled at Bill Moyer’s comments. In fact, I am appalled at the fact that Israel and Jews are judged at a higher standard of behavior than the barbaric element that won’t be happy until every Jew and Christian on the planet is either converted or dead.

  104. James says:

    How about this guy, Richard Sliverstein ? He’s blog is so full of hate to Israel.
    I found this on another blog, very funny.

    The Little Dickie Silverstein Marching Song

    I am a little kapo,
    It makes my mommy mad,
    Cause when I am a kapo,
    Those Zionists get sad!

    I celebrate the jihad,
    and terror all the while,
    I fill my blog and web page,
    With loud salutes of Sieg Heil!

    I want to see them Zraelis,
    All dumped out in the sea,
    My swastika a waving,
    Cause everything’s bout me.

  105. [...] have written about this incident, as well as his (unconscious) use of blood libels to support his case. What his attitude, like Time [...]

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