King Arthur: “what are you going to do, bleed on me?”
Hamas: “Why yes, and my wife, and my kids too… And we’ll invite the media to film the whole thing…”
I was wandering where Israelis were getting all that intel. Maybe Fatah really was involved…. Or maybe Palestinian attitude isn’t as pro-Hamas as we are being told.
Best line from the article:
“In other cases, activists were detained and shot in the legs after they were spotted smiling in public – an act interpreted by Hamas as an expression of joy over Israel’s military offensive.”
Khaled Abu-Toameh, as well as a few of his other Israeli colleagues, have their contacts or “Palestinian sources”. And you can read in the same Jpost edition an article where Fatah gunmen declare that they too participated in the fighting in Gaza.
Israel is in the unenviable position of mopping up a problem created by the inertia of the international community. Fourth-generation “refugees” living in towns officially designated as “camps” never have existed under international law until the world community found it expedient to defer the “Palestinian problem” into the indefinite future.
oao,
From your link to the Asia Times.
More and more people are coming round to seeing the behaviour of the international community. In this case defined as inertia, but an inertia derived from what emotions?
Obviously they couldn’t care less about the Palestinians and if they can hypocritically use the the Jews to excuse their inertia, it can get no better.
They can indulge in an orgy of “moral schadenfreude” as they use Jews as indulgences. (Carbon offsets anyone? Just don’t overdo the ovens, what with Gorbal Warmening)
spengler is quite good (despite some of his blind spots).
from what emotions?
fear and cowardice. they see the internal and external jihad, they don’t have the guts or competence to resist it, so they accept the jihadis claims that israel is the problem and, if eliminated, the jihad will go away.
but then, get the Gazans to the green pastures of… Europe
they’re already there!!!! in each and every european country. whatever happens to israel, I’ll enjoy watching europe.
Thanks so much Cynic! It’s the 1st time I read it and a good LOL is the healthiest thing now. I just read that the Pope un-excommunicated that “traditionalist” order, revisionist cardinal included!
Back to the Middle Ages, religion wars… Only this time the Juice will only be the first to pay, immediately followed (or even simultaneously) by the other Kuffars.
The neighbour above, thanks for avoiding the “I told you so”. Or I’ll tell you one or two stories. Got to keep a cool, creative mind.
OK, enough with my emotions. Cynic #13 and oao #15,
What’s emotions got to do with Intl. affairs?
Interests and more or less bad calculations is the name of the game, do correct me if I’m wrong. Right now it’s about making the most out of keeping oil and gas resources in the appropriate hands.
And let Hamas play its suicidal games – those israelis do a real lousy job and deserve more than all the libels our Al Jazeera is serving. The puppets in Ramallah may still come handy and if not- who cares? A few $millions is really nothing for a diversion.
it’s not moral schadenfreude, it’s just straight schadenfreude. i know holocaust survivors, a tremendously sweet couple, who feel the same way… couldn’t happen to nicer people.
i don’t share the sentiment, especially since, if Europe goes, that really means a 1984 scenario of totalitarian blocks at war and bad news for both the rest of the West (anglophone ex-colonies) and Israel.
I hesitated about the moral part and finally included it, because of the “deserved” comment, indicating a judgement of values: doing wrong merits punishment.
yes. but all schadenfreude has that edge to it. it’s called moral luck — if i’m lucky/fortunate, i deserve it.
the specific issue of moral schadenfreude is that you get a thrill from accusing or seeing someone accused of immorality, preferably someone who makes you feel morally insecure.
That’s moral Schadenfreude.
“Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thy heart be glad when he stumbleth;” Proverbs 24, 17.
well, it could be interpreted like that. to my mind reward and punishment drives human behavior.
since there is nothing I can do about the european cowardice and racism, let them reap the just reward.
of course, “rejoice” here is just a manner of speaking. i would have rejoiced had they changed their behavior and avoided their current fate, but since that’s not in the cards…
i know holocaust survivors, a tremendously sweet couple, who feel the same way… couldn’t happen to nicer people.
well, they are psychologically damaged. I don’t think many people can come out of such an experience and treat the world the same as people who had no such experience. it’s too much to ask from human nature.
and if another holocaust occurs–and events point in this direction–the effect will be similar.
i don’t share the sentiment, especially since, if Europe goes, that really means a 1984 scenario of totalitarian blocks at war and bad news for both the rest of the West (anglophone ex-colonies) and Israel.
I have already qualified the term “rejoice”. however, to repeat, whether europe and indeed, the whole of the west goes (the obama election is the first step in the europization of the US!), there is nothing I can do about it. there are plenty of warnings and they get ignored. in that case the just reward/punishment is what will determine future behavior.
it looks like the west must undergo a medieval age again to do something about getting out of it.
i never bought the thesis of democratic trend in history. it looks more like a cycle at best. humans need several generations of suffering to get out from under it.
however, he says to fight ideology with ideology. nice, fine. but that requires an islamic reformation and the islamists look at the west and see what happened to it when it reformed and this is precisely what they want to fight.
US in afghanistan, israel in ghaza, and europeans in their own countries do exactly the opposite of what they should: they support the jihad and ensure their own demise.
Ah, Tom Lehrer; and don’t forget “Poisoning Pigeons in the Park with Cyanide, “Masochism Tango” etc.
The good old days?
Gorbal Warmening! No, just picked it up from the many sarcastic cynics commenting before a PowerPointPresentation won an Oscar even though said slide show was discovered by an English High Court Judge to have 9 major “scientific” errors.
Did you never read about the Rev. Al and his Goracle which warns about the Warmening?
Heere Bigynneth the Tale of the Asse-Hatte.
1 Whan in Februar, withe hise global warmynge
2 Midst unseasonabyl rain and stormynge
3 Gaia in hyr heat encourages
4 Englande folke to goon pilgrimages.
5 Frome everiches farme and shire
6 Frome London Towne and Lancanshire
7 The pilgryms toward Canterbury wended
8 Wyth fyve weke holiday leave extended
9 In hybryd Prius and Subaru
Just another of Iowahawk’s repertoire: The Idiossey
The Not-Really-That-Epic Poem of Obamacles
Revised and Updated
(with Apologies to Homer) ………
……..
Said the Muse:
I will tell the story of Obamacles through my scribe Iowahawk.
But this poem is copyrighted, so reproduce at your peril.
Book the Second: Obamacles Meets the Oracle of Doritos
Enjoy the laughs while one can.
It seems that the new administration will begin horse trading soon.
I shamelessly confess that my journey into climate oops’n'Change deniers’ den was a short one. Only got to the Goracle monument. Will pursue the winding road under thy guidance.
My most favourite Lehrer is Wernher von Braun. For Pete’s S. sake, of course.
Yes, Sir.
Lehrer’s Wernher is far below what the Goracle deserves. Or maybe is it beyond? Depends how you consider science (especially “hard” sci.) vs. marketing.
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Real life is beyond fiction.
who is willing to assure us that hamas has no feet and hands left?
oao,
It’s the mentality, stupid!
King Arthur: “what are you going to do, bleed on me?”
Hamas: “Why yes, and my wife, and my kids too… And we’ll invite the media to film the whole thing…”
E.G.,
I was wandering where Israelis were getting all that intel. Maybe Fatah really was involved…. Or maybe Palestinian attitude isn’t as pro-Hamas as we are being told.
Best line from the article:
“In other cases, activists were detained and shot in the legs after they were spotted smiling in public – an act interpreted by Hamas as an expression of joy over Israel’s military offensive.”
I meant “wondering”, damned spell check
It’s the mentality, stupid!
i know that, stupid!
however, it’s important to point out that despite its mentality, hamas wins when one takes its core objective into account.
In other cases, activists were detained and shot in the legs after they were spotted smiling in public
as far as I know, there is no smiling in islam. khomeini decreed.
EB
Khaled Abu-Toameh, as well as a few of his other Israeli colleagues, have their contacts or “Palestinian sources”. And you can read in the same Jpost edition an article where Fatah gunmen declare that they too participated in the fighting in Gaza.
oao,
:-)
Humorous?
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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KA08Ak01.html
Israel is in the unenviable position of mopping up a problem created by the inertia of the international community. Fourth-generation “refugees” living in towns officially designated as “camps” never have existed under international law until the world community found it expedient to defer the “Palestinian problem” into the indefinite future.
oao,
From your link to the Asia Times.
More and more people are coming round to seeing the behaviour of the international community. In this case defined as inertia, but an inertia derived from what emotions?
Obviously they couldn’t care less about the Palestinians and if they can hypocritically use the the Jews to excuse their inertia, it can get no better.
They can indulge in an orgy of “moral schadenfreude” as they use Jews as indulgences. (Carbon offsets anyone? Just don’t overdo the ovens, what with Gorbal Warmening)
oao,
Brilliant! Assisted suicide!
(but then, get the Gazans to the green pastures of… Europe?)
spengler is quite good (despite some of his blind spots).
from what emotions?
fear and cowardice. they see the internal and external jihad, they don’t have the guts or competence to resist it, so they accept the jihadis claims that israel is the problem and, if eliminated, the jihad will go away.
but then, get the Gazans to the green pastures of… Europe
they’re already there!!!! in each and every european country. whatever happens to israel, I’ll enjoy watching europe.
now how do you think his majesty barak will respond to this?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024563.php
here’s spengler on obama:
but i don’t think obama will do nothing. he will speak in platitudes and inconsistencies but will execute radical left/dhimmi policies covertly. scary
:-D Gorbal Warmening!
Thanks so much Cynic! It’s the 1st time I read it and a good LOL is the healthiest thing now. I just read that the Pope un-excommunicated that “traditionalist” order, revisionist cardinal included!
Back to the Middle Ages, religion wars… Only this time the Juice will only be the first to pay, immediately followed (or even simultaneously) by the other Kuffars.
The neighbour above, thanks for avoiding the “I told you so”. Or I’ll tell you one or two stories. Got to keep a cool, creative mind.
Only this time the Juice will only be the first to pay, immediately followed (or even simultaneously) by the other Kuffars.
which is why I used the following logo for my (now inactive) blog:
“they came for the juice…”. you know the drill.
Yes, I know it. But we’ll need something better this time, so we’re not stuck with unlearned lessons from past experience.
My best TY gift for the moment to Cynic.
http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-environmentalismaseligion.html
(sorry to be O/T)
Yes, I know it. But we’ll need something better this time, so we’re not stuck with unlearned lessons from past experience.
the human race does not learn anymore. the west is now at the same level of learning as islam.
Juice know better.
OK, enough with my emotions. Cynic #13 and oao #15,
What’s emotions got to do with Intl. affairs?
Interests and more or less bad calculations is the name of the game, do correct me if I’m wrong. Right now it’s about making the most out of keeping oil and gas resources in the appropriate hands.
And let Hamas play its suicidal games – those israelis do a real lousy job and deserve more than all the libels our Al Jazeera is serving. The puppets in Ramallah may still come handy and if not- who cares? A few $millions is really nothing for a diversion.
What’s emotions got to do with Intl. affairs?
reread my comments — I distinguished between the plebos (emotions) and elites (interests). the former push and are used by the latter.
europe is already gone. the US is on its way. so who’s gonna wake up early enough to reverse the collapse?
as I say, I will enjoy watching the west get what it deserves.
I will enjoy watching the west get what it deserves.
That’s moral Schadenfreude.
“Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thy heart be glad when he stumbleth;” Proverbs 24, 17.
it’s not moral schadenfreude, it’s just straight schadenfreude. i know holocaust survivors, a tremendously sweet couple, who feel the same way… couldn’t happen to nicer people.
i don’t share the sentiment, especially since, if Europe goes, that really means a 1984 scenario of totalitarian blocks at war and bad news for both the rest of the West (anglophone ex-colonies) and Israel.
… he will speak in platitudes ..
Won’t it be in tongues? I mean, he is not just anybody.
I hesitated about the moral part and finally included it, because of the “deserved” comment, indicating a judgement of values: doing wrong merits punishment.
yes. but all schadenfreude has that edge to it. it’s called moral luck — if i’m lucky/fortunate, i deserve it.
the specific issue of moral schadenfreude is that you get a thrill from accusing or seeing someone accused of immorality, preferably someone who makes you feel morally insecure.
Thanks for clarifying. It’s a good lesson.
And an excellent example of intellectual rigour.
And, I don’t share oao’s plain Schadenfreude either. I’m saddened if not exasperated observing people confused by Orwellian features.
That’s moral Schadenfreude.
“Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thy heart be glad when he stumbleth;” Proverbs 24, 17.
well, it could be interpreted like that. to my mind reward and punishment drives human behavior.
since there is nothing I can do about the european cowardice and racism, let them reap the just reward.
of course, “rejoice” here is just a manner of speaking. i would have rejoiced had they changed their behavior and avoided their current fate, but since that’s not in the cards…
i know holocaust survivors, a tremendously sweet couple, who feel the same way… couldn’t happen to nicer people.
well, they are psychologically damaged. I don’t think many people can come out of such an experience and treat the world the same as people who had no such experience. it’s too much to ask from human nature.
and if another holocaust occurs–and events point in this direction–the effect will be similar.
i don’t share the sentiment, especially since, if Europe goes, that really means a 1984 scenario of totalitarian blocks at war and bad news for both the rest of the West (anglophone ex-colonies) and Israel.
I have already qualified the term “rejoice”. however, to repeat, whether europe and indeed, the whole of the west goes (the obama election is the first step in the europization of the US!), there is nothing I can do about it. there are plenty of warnings and they get ignored. in that case the just reward/punishment is what will determine future behavior.
it looks like the west must undergo a medieval age again to do something about getting out of it.
incidentally, as you know, I don’t say “if europe goes”. for all practical purposes europe is already gone.
and apparently the whole world goes in the same direction:
http://pryce-jones.nationalreview.com/post/?q=N2ViNzdlZGIzZGVjOGYxOWJkNTQyNWVjNzM5NmE4YWY=
i never bought the thesis of democratic trend in history. it looks more like a cycle at best. humans need several generations of suffering to get out from under it.
even arabs now see the foolishness of the west:
http://aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=2&id=15495
however, he says to fight ideology with ideology. nice, fine. but that requires an islamic reformation and the islamists look at the west and see what happened to it when it reformed and this is precisely what they want to fight.
so good luck.
one more thing: I don’t think that islamism should be fought with this kind of ideology:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/32552_Some_Christians_Angry_at_Obamas_Nonbelievers_Statement
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/32555_Video-_Reinstated_Bishop_a_Holocaust_Denier_-_Update-_Also_a_Truther
in its utter failure to know about ad appreciate islam, they keep committing suicide.
http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-israel-helped-spawn-hamas.html
US in afghanistan, israel in ghaza, and europeans in their own countries do exactly the opposite of what they should: they support the jihad and ensure their own demise.
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/01/support-palestinians-support-israel.html
oao,
Are you familiar with the availability bias?
My best TY gift for the moment to Cynic.
Thanks for the thought :-)
I had read some of M C’s stuff but had forgotten about it.
Anyway his article should be updated where he writes:
In the wake of Carol Browner, it is probably better to shut it down and start over.
Hasn’t she been appointed by Obama to control energy in the US?
Cynic,
Well, here’s another outdated piece. Or is it?
Vatican Rag
Is “Gorbal Warmening” your invention?
E.G.
Ah, Tom Lehrer; and don’t forget “Poisoning Pigeons in the Park with Cyanide, “Masochism Tango” etc.
The good old days?
Gorbal Warmening! No, just picked it up from the many sarcastic cynics commenting before a PowerPointPresentation won an Oscar even though said slide show was discovered by an English High Court Judge to have 9 major “scientific” errors.
Did you never read about the Rev. Al and his Goracle which warns about the Warmening?
There were a few takeoffs of the “scare” with one in the style of Chaucer:
Iowahawk: An Archbishop of Canterbury Tale
Heere Bigynneth the Tale of the Asse-Hatte.
1 Whan in Februar, withe hise global warmynge
2 Midst unseasonabyl rain and stormynge
3 Gaia in hyr heat encourages
4 Englande folke to goon pilgrimages.
5 Frome everiches farme and shire
6 Frome London Towne and Lancanshire
7 The pilgryms toward Canterbury wended
8 Wyth fyve weke holiday leave extended
9 In hybryd Prius and Subaru
Just another of Iowahawk’s repertoire:
The Idiossey
The Not-Really-That-Epic Poem of Obamacles
Revised and Updated
(with Apologies to Homer) ………
……..
Said the Muse:
I will tell the story of Obamacles through my scribe Iowahawk.
But this poem is copyrighted, so reproduce at your peril.
Book the Second: Obamacles Meets the Oracle of Doritos
Enjoy the laughs while one can.
It seems that the new administration will begin horse trading soon.
Thanks a lot Cynic,
I shamelessly confess that my journey into climate oops’n'Change deniers’ den was a short one. Only got to the Goracle monument. Will pursue the winding road under thy guidance.
My most favourite Lehrer is Wernher von Braun. For Pete’s S. sake, of course.
Did you never read about the Rev. Al and his Goracle which warns about the Warmening?
did you read about the companies he set up to profit from the idiots who believe in his crap? that he benefits from it?
Yes, Sir.
Lehrer’s Wernher is far below what the Goracle deserves. Or maybe is it beyond? Depends how you consider science (especially “hard” sci.) vs. marketing.
Don’t you worry, oao, I’m on the right side :-) on this issue too.