The Palestinians’ Worst Enemy: The Poisoned Gift of European Anti-Semitism

I had a conversation with a remarkable Palestinian advocate of human rights several years ago when I tried to show him the material I had on Pallywood. As we discussed the problem, and his helplessness to even address it, it became clear to me that the single most insidious enemy of the Palestinians is the European loathing of an independent Jewish nation. What seemed to Palestinians like a gift — Europeans’ hostility to Israel — has ended up strengthening the worst aspects of Palestinian culture, its irredentism, its preference for suffering Palestinians, its thirst for hatred.

And this is nowhere more evident than when Palestinians try and go sober, try and kick their addiction to hatred, try to turn from gnawing on old wounds to growing new life. Then they run into their most fearful demon, the sympathetic hater in the West: the old fashioned European anti-semite at last released from his post-Holocaust prison of politically incorrect, the radical, the revolutionary, the morally superior/envious progressive, both Christian and post-Christian, even Jewish. For these people, like those Arab leaders who have treated them so abominably for so long, the moral and symbolic value of the Palestinians lies in their suffering, not in their recovery. The forces that have driven on the astounding, unprecedented, otherwise inexplicable 60-year refugee status for Arabs who fled Israel in 1948, will not be cheated of their most precious possession: a people victim of the Jews. Indeed, I would argue, the media footprint of Jewish misdeeds — true and invented — are the very image of this corrosive need.

For those progressives with enough remaining integrity to look at the current madness over Israel and wonder what’s wrong, I invite them to the following meditation. The behavior of Hamas described below in Belmont Club’s discussion, the deeds of that very same Hamas whose flags German’s successfully petitioned their courts for permission to wave at their anti-war demonstrations, is the karmic product of sixty years of proxy hatreds, now reaching new temperatures. Under a terrifying assault by neighbors driven mad by their own leaders’ mad policies, the Gazans find themselves literally crucified by a reign of terror.

January 21st, 2009 3:31 am
The Grand Inquisitors

Up to a hundred Palestinians in Gaza who have defied house arrest orders have been tortured in children’s hospitals and schools converted into interrogation centers. People have been shot in the legs or had their hands broken. The campaign has been described as a “new massacre”. One victim had his eyes put out. No one was safe from the torturers, not even those attending funerals. When is will the UN act to put a stop to this horror? Won’t President Obama intervene to stop these barbaric acts? Aren’t international human rights monitors going to put a stop to this? When will War Crimes charges be preferred against the perpetrators?

Never.

Why? Because Hamas is in charge of the torture and their victims are simply Fatah members. If it were Israel who had done these things, well then … But since it’s Hamas, the same Hamas for whom thousands have been marching in ’solidarity’, it’s a non-story. The Jersualem Post cites reports from Fatah members describing the events.

Of course, that’s Khaled abu Toameh, who, without going to Gaza, tells us more than all the brave Ben Wedemans in their flak jackets or Taghreed el-Khodarys, with their anti-Israel talking points. And yet, many journalists dismiss Toameh because he works for the Jerusalem Post. “He’s not fully reliable, you know,” they say “with a sad wink and a nudge.”

The argument is not without its ironies. After all, imagine an Israeli reporter, reporting dirt on Israel to the readers of Al Jazeera. One can hardly imagine our MSM journalists dismissing his or her information. Come to think of it… that’s more or less the function of Gideon Levy and Amira Hass in the internet, English Ha-Aretz. When’s the last time a journalist airily dismissed their testimony?

The eyewitnesses said that a children’s hospital and a mental health center in Gaza City, as well as a number of school buildings in Khan Yunis and Rafah, were among the places that Hamas had turned into “torture centers.”

A Fatah activist in Gaza City claimed that as many as 80 members of his faction were either shot in the legs or had their hands broken for allegedly defying Hamas’s house-arrest orders. ”What’s happening in the Gaza Strip is a new massacre that is being carried out by Hamas against Fatah,” he said. “Where were these [Hamas] cowards when the Israeli army was here?”

There was a chorus of folks — headed by Jimmy Carter — who assured us that Hamas, now democratically elected, would turn towards moderation. And when some tried to point out that it was more likely a case of “one man, one vote, one time…” they were dismissed. “You aren’t comparing Hamas to the Nazis, are you?”

But this doesn’t have to be about the Nazis. It’s Politics 101 — Plato, Aristotle, anyone whose understands the fragility of the nascent democratic process and the terrors that lurk in failures. And now we have it, up close: what becomes of a failed/betrayed democracy? Tyranny 101.

Why, waiting for the ceasefire, of course.

Waiting for the cease-fire that they knew would come. Because Hamas knew that the world would never allow the Israelis to come in and root out this enemy. So all they had to do, was retreat, let their own people suffer (if not add to it), and then, when the Israelis retreat, make sure they still dominated, made sure that anyone who might accuse them of these calamaties, did not have a voice. Time for terror against domestic enemies.

That turns out to have its own costs, even though they are not widely recognized. But when the cost-benefit of leaving Hamas in posession of Gaza was calculated, was the price of reprisal included in the bill? Did anyone take into account how many people, who might otherwise have been open to negotiating peace, have now decided it will never be worth the risk. In other words, is it possible that ceasefires which leave the aggressor in possession of the field may have the effect of undermining genuine peace rather than promoting it?

Goethe once described the peasant as lying between the land and the aristocracy as between anvil and hammer. The Palestinians lie between Israel’s determination to live and their rulers’ death cult, as between the land and a consuming fire. And no one — not the European leaders so threatened by the same, not the policy thinkers who so desperately want the problem to be economic, or Israel’s fault — will seek to douse that hatred.

In another strategic world, the Israeli incursion into Gaza could have created an opportunity for peace akin to those which sprang into existence in the latter parts of the Second World War. The recent movie Valkyrie is a reminder that the defeat of extremists — like Hitler — could empower the real moderate elements. The Strategy Page believes that Hamas was sorely wounded in the last attacks, mostly in the initial sorties.

And that would, in fact, be possible, if the MSM and the strategic thinkers in the West could think sanely. No people should have to tolerate enemies like this. No other nation in history has. It’s good for everyone… except the haters.

And yet, for too many people, Hamas is heroic.

hamas freedom fighters

You can’t get rid of Hamas! We like Hamas! The Palestinian people like Hamas! We need Hamas.

hamas flag at parade 2009

January 21, 2009: Hamas thought they were invulnerable to Israeli attack. By placing so many of their military and government facilities in densely populated residential neighborhoods, they believed any Israeli bombing or shelling would cause high, and politically unacceptable, civilian losses. But the Israelis used surprise, more precision than expected, and innovations like calling civilians in the target area and telling them to get out before the bombs hit nearby. As a result, most of the 1,300 Palestinian dead were Hamas personnel, and nearly all the damaged structures were those used by Hamas.

This should have provided a golden opportunity not only to remove the main roadblock to a negotiated settlement, but to lift the yoke of oppression and hardship from the Palestinians. The defeat of Hamas would have made it easier to open the border with Egypt; easier to solve the terrible dilemma of curtailing Iranian arms shipments while allowing the free passage of supplies for civilian use.

However it now seems likely that Hamas will not only be saved from destruction, but given vast monies for reconstruction, funds which are most likely to be used to torture its opponents and prepare for the next war. This is the peace process, Middle Eastern style.

Well this last part is a long way from certain; and the European Union did say, at least initially, that there would be no reconstruction as long as there was Hamas. It’s never too late to start acting sanely.

35 Responses to The Palestinians’ Worst Enemy: The Poisoned Gift of European Anti-Semitism

  1. E.G. says:

    It’s important to keep in mind that only minor parts of Europe benefited from de-nazification programmes.
    However, major parts of the continent benefited from decades of Soviet agit-prop.

  2. Cynic says:

    And yet, many journalists dismiss Toameh because he works for the Jerusalem Post. “He’s not fully reliable, you know,” they say “with a sad wink and a nudge.”

    And there are still those who howl in outrage because Israel has to do more to get her point of view “published”.
    Publishing for the choir is not going to accomplish that much because those not reading blogs like this are not going to get the info anyway.

  3. Cynic says:

    One can see the resemblance to those hypocrites who denigrated those African Americans whose views differed from theirs as Uncle Toms.

  4. Cynic says:

    But when the cost-benefit of leaving Hamas in posession of Gaza was calculated, was the price of reprisal included in the bill? Did anyone take into account how many people, who might otherwise have been open to negotiating peace, have now decided it will never be worth the risk.

    And did anyone do a cost/benefit analysis when Arafat was invited back into Gaza and promptly rid himself of those who were open to a negotiated peace, and were already discussing such things, and shut up all those others who might otherwise have been open to negotiating peace,?

  5. oao says:

    there is one thing that gives me satisfaction: all those anti-semites will soon live under sharia and there no more befitting fate that awaits them.

    just forget about europe — with the things coming out of the lips of sarkozy/kouchner and brown/miliband, with what the dutch are doing to wilders, with police everywhere acting against jews instead of protecting them — analyzing events in europe is a waste of time. for all practical purposes it’s gone, it’s part of dar-el-salaam.

  6. Sophia says:

    I’ve been feeling this for quite awhile – that the worst enemies not only of Israel and the Jewish people but of the Arabs as well – of peace itself – are not from the Middle East but in Europe.

    There are quite a few hate-mongers here in the US as well – along with their unwitting tools.

    Of course there are the obvious suspects – people who hate Jews – others – as a matter of ideology – but far worse – progressives who’ve fallen into the trap of antisemitism, who don’t read history, or refuse to understand the lessons of WWII era Europe or indeed the many centuries of violence preceding that horrible apogee of bigotry.

    For awhile I think people truly believed that Nazism had died. But they overlooked the fact that deeply hateful ideologies have a way or morphing into new forms – indeed can be cloaked in the most reasonable sounding arguments.

    And in a more direct way actual Nazis fled Germany and many wound up in the Middle East.

    This clearly has had an effect on politics there, as had earlier infusions of Western antisemitism.

    I know that some will argue that Islam is inherently misojudaic and I think that to a degree this is true. But the really frightening, naked hate is coming from outside. The Palestinian people are the unwitting business end of the stick.

    Have their lives been improved by any of this incitement?

    Sadly the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza – without a real agreement with the Palestinian people to move forward together – was a failed experiment.

    I hope that people won’t give up though. I hope we can keep talking, keep trying.

    I also hope that people in the West won’t misuse bigotry against the Arab world – vast and vastly diverse – or even against the highly diverse Palestinian community – as an excuse to “support Israel”.

    I’m encountering this nasty phenemenon recently.

    It’s just as bad, maybe not as immediately dangerous – but intolerance of any kind is no friend to Western ideals let alone Jewish morality or the Jewish state.

    I’m having trouble making this point to people who should know better. I think they’re blinded perhaps by fear.

    But also “support for Israel” cloaks bigotry calculated to divide and conquer am Yisroel – progressive Jews instinctively react against it – others – reflexively afraid of Arabs – seek support from anti-Arab bigots without realizing they are walking into a trap – the flip side of the trap that’s harmed the Palestinians.

    I also suspect sensitivity to racism and awareness of the essential humanity of “the other” isn’t as extensive as we would like to believe, even here in the US.

    We have a lot of work to do.

    Meanwhile exposing the worst of this – this unacceptable, irrational hate – is a good start.

    Maybe Palestinian people will get tired of being victims of some far off plot to exterminate another group of victims.

    And, people in the West must resist the impulse to categorize people in the East as unwitting tools of “their culture” or as beings essentially “not like us.”

    That really is bigotry – culture and tradition can condition people but they do not remove individuality, they do not prevent people from thinking, from creating, and from acting as individuals, and we should never assume that they do.

    Otherwise we’re buying into arguments that Jews are preconditioned to drinking blood, to “God-soaked violence” – to thieving – to any of the many libels which have been directed against us over the millenia.

    I pray that sanity and reason will prevail, here as well as abroad – along with the desire to live and thrive and create.

    Otherwise we’re all toast.

  7. Homophobic Horse says:

    Claiming the anti-Semitism of Palestinians is a “European” “gift” constitutes concealment and apologia for Islamic anti-Semitism.

    Today in Europe they have tender sympathy for oppressed nationalities, particularly in the light of WW2. At the end of WW2 they stood back and decided nationalism was to blame and eagerly converted to Universal Liberalism i.e. Americanism. As far as they are concerned the (kind of) mono-ethnic state for Jews only must be victimising the poor Arabs, because that’s what “nationalism” consists of. They’re wrong. Not being able to discern between right and wrong, and not being able to judge things as they are instead of by abstract formulas is really to blame for errors of the past and present.

  8. [...] the MSM of wartime casualties. Oddly enough, it seems completely distorted and inaccurate. But the best one is this: the terrible poisoned gift, which European anti-semitism has given the Palestinians – the [...]

  9. oao says:

    I know that some will argue that Islam is inherently misojudaic and I think that to a degree this is true. But the really frightening, naked hate is coming from outside. The Palestinian people are the unwitting business end of the stick.

    i disagree. the arab/muslim hatred is much more rabid. the leftist one is more a hatred of the west than the jews per-se.

    Have their lives been improved by any of this incitement?

    not yet because the ummah does not yet dominate the infidels. when they do, their life will improve.

    Sadly the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza – without a real agreement with the Palestinian people to move forward together – was a failed experiment.

    yes, but they keep repeating it. watch obama as he imposes it on israel.

    I hope that people won’t give up though. I hope we can keep talking, keep trying.

    it’s over.

    I also hope that people in the West won’t misuse bigotry against the Arab world – vast and vastly diverse – or even against the highly diverse Palestinian community – as an excuse to “support Israel”.

    don’t you worry — that won’t happen. but it’s the muslims who are bigotted and preventing their supremacism is not bigotry.

    It’s just as bad, maybe not as immediately dangerous – but intolerance of any kind is no friend to Western ideals let alone Jewish morality or the Jewish state.

    it would have saved the west, had it existed.

    I’m having trouble making this point to people who should know better. I think they’re blinded perhaps by fear.

    can you blame them?

    But also “support for Israel” cloaks bigotry calculated to divide and conquer am Yisroel – progressive Jews instinctively react against it – others – reflexively afraid of Arabs – seek support from anti-Arab bigots without realizing they are walking into a trap – the flip side of the trap that’s harmed the Palestinians.

    the only trap I see is the jiahdist one into which the west has suicidally fallen into.

    We have a lot of work to do.

    Not anymore — it’s over.

    Otherwise we’re all toast.

    we are.

  10. abu yussif says:

    if anyone loves palestinains or cares anything about human rights and freedom for gazans, then they are compelled to want israel to succeed in not only this skirmish, but also in the greater conflict between israel and the islamists.

    any supporter of hamas and any other of the terrorists is basically saying that they support the oppression and subjugation of the average palestinian by their own bitter and cruel hand.

    because i care about palestinians, i desperately want israel to overwhelmingly prevail.

  11. Alan Chappell says:

    Aid agencies, missionary’s and all do good agencies are to my mind the problem.
    Sending used clothing to Africa kills any hope of establishing a clothing industry, by the same token sending food, clothing, billions of $ in cash, luxury goods to Palestine/ Gaza for 60 years has turned a race of people into non humans, no work, why? no need, what to do with the 24 hours that our God gave us? kill Jews!Why, because we are the smartest, look for us everything is FREE!

  12. oao says:

    any supporter of hamas and any other of the terrorists is basically saying that they support the oppression and subjugation of the average palestinian by their own bitter and cruel hand.

    but the reality is that that’s what the world is doing.
    they are cowards and are deluding themselves that israel is the root of the problems, which would be solved if it went away.

    as to the pals, I don’t think that anything good can come out of them. they have been dependent on jiziya for such a long time and to such a degree that the only thing they know is to multiply and terror at the expense of the west.

  13. chigh says:

    In the article you include a link entitled ‘Politics 101′. Can you reply with why you use the number 101 in your link – sorry that this query isn’t about the article itself but another discussion pulls me in on the 101 number itself.

    101 is shorthand for the introductory course… basic, minimal, fundamental knowledge of a topic. hence politics 101 — the most elementary stuff anyone with any familiarity with the field knows.

  14. Rich Rostrom says:

    16 Chigh: to be precise, at American colleges and universities, courses are identified by department and course number (along with a title).

    100- level courses are introductory (200- are advanced, 300- specialized, 400- graduate-level).

    “XXX 101″ is the most basic course. For instance, at the University of Illinois, “FR 101″ is “Elementary French I”, while the Political Science department offers “PS 101″, “Intro to US Government & Politics”.

  15. Cynic says:

    but the reality is that that’s what the world is doing.
    they are cowards and are deluding themselves that israel is the root of the problems, which would be solved if it went away.

    oao,
    They are not deluding themselves. They are willingly using the Palestinians and others to try and rid themselves of the Israelis.

    I think in previous posts we have noticed the works of Dulles, St. John Philby, Bevin, Eden, Baker et al.

  16. oao says:

    They are not deluding themselves. They are willingly using the Palestinians and others to try and rid themselves of the Israelis.

    the elites yes.

    I was referring to the plebos, the masses. the elites are using the fear of the masses to eliminate israel.
    but this does not mean that the elites are not cowards too and do not delete themselves too.

    after all, if they did not believe that eliminating israel would solve their problems of jihad–internal and external– they would not be as aggressive about the elimination.

    I think in previous posts we have noticed the works of Dulles, St. John Philby, Bevin, Eden, Baker et al.

    kissinger, the so-called brilliant genius, was telling the arabs while he was shuttling that within a decade or two israel would be fighting for its existence. iow, don’t worry, let it be now, they won’t exist for long.

  17. Alcuin says:

    No one has a better grip on this bizarre psychology than Professor Landes, brilliant. This is human perversity of truly Dostoyevskian dimensions, and of a nature that the Left itself suffers from, and so finds that much harder to understand.

    There is a beetle that when threatened, flips itself on its back to feign death. However, should you flip it onto its legs, it flips again, proving it is not dead. A survival mechanism that evolution has yet to thoroughly debug (sorry!). We also have bugs in our programming, but this one is of a subtlety that only a catastrophe will shake us out of.

  18. JD says:

    “What happened in 1967 is that the Arabs became “Red”, and the Israelis became “white”.”

    You all should read the wikipedia article on “Soviet anti-zionism.” There is also a Marxist blogger, a purist, I think English, who has stuff on the web about it.

    The worldwide Soviet anti-zionism propaganda campaign actually started to percolate up in the run-up to the ’67 war. The USSR was betting their prestige on the bigger numbers. The failure of the UAR was a disaster from the Soviet perspective on many levels. One usually overlooked is their weaponry. Weaponry was the only manufacture the Soviets could market outside their captured markets. The implicit failure of their weaponry led them to rush to stock Egypt and Syria with their latest, most high tech weaponry, stuff the West did not know about. That is, stuff they didn’t give the Vietnamese. Actually, the ’73 war was a blessing to the West in case of Soviet invasion, it gave them a heads up.

    But the two wars failed for the Soviet Union, and Egypt decided to side with the USA and got Sinai back. From an ideological perspective these were not only defeats for Soviet power, but implicitly for their self-validating philosophy. Because Marxist-Leninist rule required a belief in the inevitability of its party, internationally. The opposite conflicts with their holy writings, which sent them into a religious-like mania, as when they had to fix their philosophies in the face of fascism unseen by their prophets.

    All the themes still rattling around today in the West about Israel were near verbatim instigated by the Soviet campaign, and imbibed in the West. Older, right-wing anti-semitic ideas were incorporated, then and later, yes. But one thing notable to Soviet anti-zionism is the utter fear of nationalism. Why? Because anti-zionism served domestic purposes too. Nationalism was a mortal threat to the USSR, and the division of the USSR proved this threat was credible. The creation of one nation, Israel, which they could not crush, seemed contrary to their self-validating philosophy.

    Ironically, it was the biggest empire of the world pushing the “Israel as western colonizer” thread. One way Western leftists conformed themselves to party and politically correct lines to hate Israel was to ideate Israel as empire. Another, and you can experience this with old Jewish commies and others, is taking up the idea Israel failed “socialism” or did not become socialist enough.

    Sure, schadenfreude, traditional right-wing anti-semitism, religious insecurities all play big parts. But I believe the force of Western anti-Israelism is on the “left”, and its cause is not Henry Ford, or this or that, but the Soviet campaign. Which died in the East the moment Gorbachev pulled the plug on it. But it went viral, and still circulates among Western lefty elites, their thought patterns essentially collateral brain damage from the Cold War.

  19. oao says:

    Here’s my post in another thread here that i think explains the “red” and “white” as weak/strong victim/bully right/wrong underlying today’s left as well as the MSM approach to the conflict:

    chomsky tells the story that he was induced to his political activities by achildhood event: a bully attacked a child; chomsky first stood with the victim then chickened out and ran away in fear. he then promised himself that never again would he not stand with the victim.

    after a while I realized the reason chomsky is so wrong about foreign cultures: he treats everything as bully and victim. note that in child bullies there is no morality issue: whoever is a bully is morally wrong and support decisions are easy: whoever is stronger and fights the weaker is automatically in the wrong.

    however, this is hardly the case between nations/cultures. if you’re gonna decide which side is moral based on relative power alone, you’ll end up on the wrong side quite often.

    the msm suffers from a similar problem: on the one hand they are looking for the “david and goliath” angle, because this “sells”. but on the other hand they drive–like chomsky–morality from the perceived balance of power: israel is stronger, therefore it is wrong (the bully) and the pals are in the right (the victims).

    for quite a while I couldn’t figure out why chomsky who is hardly stupid can be so wrong, part. on foreign matters. the bully/victim approach explains it as well as his leftism: this is what lefties do — they look for weaks, whom they automatically consider right, regardless of the context. this is how he can hug hezbollah and how carter can hug hamas.

    this is how the MSM approach the conflict.

  20. andrew says:

    There are all reasons to be pessimistic, as R.L. so rightly points out. Let me venture a (not very strong) opinion in the other direction, though, concerning in particular French diplomacy under Sarkozy. If one remembers that Giscard d’Estaing essentially discarded the Israeli-Egyptian treaty as a non-event (a standard
    sentence of French politicians of the time was ”la paix ne se fera pas au Proche-Orient sans la France”), if one remembers also Sadate’s eulogy by Claude Cheysson, the Minister of Foreign Affairs under
    President Mitterrand (”pour horrible qu’il soit, cet assassinat aura au moins l’utilite de permettre a l’Egypte de rejoindre le reste du Monde Arabe”), one is inclined to conclude that something may have changed with President Sarkozy: at least, French diplomacy might no longer (who knows ? I am taking chances) be tempted to sabotage any progress towards
    peace managed by the U.S. I believe that Sarkozy is sincere in his desire to help; also, that this would go against a very old and very well-entrenched anti-Israelism of le Quai d’Orsay, not prepared for a change in this direction. Let us, for awhile at least, give the new France (not the French media, of course) the benefit of doubt. Speaking of the French media, they continue being a disaster.

  21. oao says:

    but his behavior thoroughly contradicts your thesis, andrew.

    he has been inserting himself in everything rather than just allowing the UN or US or EU to solve problems, including the ME. he is pushing cooperation with arabs, his govt took, for all practical purposes, the hamas side.

    why, only a few days ago he said he wants to introduce arabic in schools, as it is a noble language and culture. he has been kissing arab/muslim ass left and right.

    and I see nothing that can be interpreted as success in changing france for the better. i think he is all talk and no action (where it counts) and seem like an asshole to me. terribly french.

    he once in a while says something without consequence and wishful thinkers turn him into the great white hope.

  22. E.G. says:

    andrew,

    You’re preaching Hope and Change. Indeed there’s some probability Sarko wouldn’t have given an as grand pre-funeral service to the terrorist who died in his taxpayers’ funded hospital. From speaking in less hostile, even quite friendly terms, to doing there’s a difference. What do we actually know about his acts?

    His first and foremost duty is to stop the Anti-semitic acts taking place on his soil, under his direct responsibility.

  23. E.G. says:

    oao,

    A few nuances to the bully/victim dogma.
    By virtue of being powerful, bully must make concessions and preferably repair, according to the fairness doctrine.
    “The mosquito harassed me” is not a valid argument for smashing that poor creature. Because that’s the mosquito’s purpose in its life – it’s its right to live it as it’s designed. Bully is powerful therefore it should tolerate. Bully is responsible because it’s powerful. Of course, Bully has the right to survive – in principle. But it must ensure others live as well, at its expense: it’s only fair.
    Yes, Humanity requires higher standards of those considered powerful. And when they don’t reach these standards they’re demonised and their power is delegitimised.

  24. oao says:

    e.g.,

    the term bully in a children context (where it originates) is an automatic accusation by definition: one bullies JUST BECAUSE he is stronger, there is no grievance or such. i clearly remember as a child such occurrences. in this context, BY USING the term bully for a side, one declares it wrong.

    a military or political conflict is more complex. which side is stronger does not automatically determine right or wrong.

  25. andrew says:

    To oao and E.G. You may be right: I am only TRYING to be less pessimistic. My feeling is still that President Sarkozy is not, by far, as bad as Chirac. For
    instance, in the beginning of last war with Hamas, he made it clear that Hamas bore responsibility for it: this may have had a limited positive influence on several European countries. I do not understand the power of intimidation applied (by whom ?) on European
    politicians who might be willing to differ on the Arab-Israeli issue: it did not take long for the Czech Minister of Foreigh Affairs to depart from his initially courageous position. Bach to Sarkozy: true, he soon reverted to the ”reaction disproportionnee”
    language. I believe that the way Western nations behave
    at the Durban 2 Conference will help clarify things: if
    the French participate without qualms in this shameful Conference, I will definitely stop believing that anything has changed. About Sarkozy and French Moslems:
    all French politicians (with a handful of exceptions)are either terrorised by them, or trying to take advantage of their voting power, or both. Please do not
    exaggerate the importance of pro-Hamas demonstrations
    in France, or elsewhere in Europe: it is essentially a measure of the considerable number of Moslems (from North Africa in the case of France): only minor, if vocal, politicians on the extreme left dared joining.

  26. E.G. says:

    andrew,

    What is, in your opinion, the significance of the pro-Hamas/Hezbolla – anti-Israel/Jews rallies?

    Some of what will happen at Durban-2 is either already prepared or is being prepared now. Recorded in Great Transparency and perfect independence.

  27. E.G. says:

    andrew,

    Sorry to break you these news.

  28. oao says:

    I am only TRYING to be less pessimistic.

    obviously. but one of the biggest problems is that the west is being optimistic to the point of suicide. we should be realistic, but even pessimistic is more useful than optimistic when it comes to survival.

    My feeling is still that President Sarkozy is not, by far, as bad as Chirac.

    don’t go by feelings, but by evidence. it’s much more reliable. sarkozy is a more hyper version of obama: lots of self-importance, of platitudes and inconsistencies between statements, and between statements and policies.

    Sorry to break you these news.

    that’s hardly news. they have been doing it for a long time and is exactly as expected.

  29. andrew says:

    There is little consistency (in some sense, fortunately) between the various aspects of the attitude of Western countries towards Israel, Arabs, Jews,… What can you make of the following contradictions ? The Europeans have decided to to consider the Iranian People Mudjhaydin’s (sorry for the spelling) as a terrorist movement any longer: but the French and Germans were opposed to it. France has sent a frigate to check the weapon smuggling to Gaza
    (agreed, probably totally inefficient, but an indication of what she believes ought to be done anyway), at the same time pushing for lowering the demands from Hamas (this is certainly atrocious) before talking to them. Countries from Northern Europe
    (the traditionally courageous Dutch, of course, but also the Scandinavians) are totally opposed to this: at the same time, you can read (for instance, in
    http://www.desinfos.com) that, after a group of Arabs has started casting eggs and otherwise disrupting an authorized demonstration in Malmoe in support of Israel, the Swedish police brutally dispersed… the
    Israel-supporting crowd. I am very anxious to see what will happen at Durban 2.

  30. George says:

    Rarely do I see so many, use so many words, say so much, and understand so little.

    Absolutely pathetic.

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