Is this Obama’s Jimmy Carter Moment?

Am I getting this right? Are there hundreds of thousands of protesters in Iran — up to a million people in the streets — against an insane, medieval theocracy on the verge of getting the nuclear bomb, which is firing on the crowds, and Osama hasn’t said anything?

Déjà-vu all over again.

Joe Lieberman (not Avigdor) has this to say (HT: Michael Totten)

[T]hrough intimidation, violence, manipulation, and outright fraud, the Iranian regime has once again made a mockery of democracy, and confirmed its repressive and dictatorial character.

We as Americans have a responsibility to stand in solidarity with people when they are denied their rights by repressive regimes. When elections are stolen, our government should protest. When peaceful demonstrators are beaten and silenced, we have a duty to raise our voices on their behalf. We must tell the Iranian people that we are on their side.

For this reason, I would hope that President Obama and members of both parties in Congress will speak out, loudly and clearly, about what is happening in Iran right now, and unambiguously express their solidarity with the brave Iranians who went to the polls in the hope of change and who are now looking to the outside world for strength and support.

I guess one of the problems for Obama is that he forgot there was a reason that we didn’t try and make friends with Iran besides the fact that they didn’t like us. Cozy up to nasties in the hope of charming them — Carter again! — and you end up on the wrong side of history.

16 Responses to Is this Obama’s Jimmy Carter Moment?

  1. oao says:

    it looks like osama did:

    Dennis Ross, Out As Special Envoy To Iran; Was He Ousted Because He’s A Jew Or A Bit Hawkish On Nukes?
    http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_spine/archive/2009/06/15/dennis-ross-out-as-special-envoy-to-iran-was-he-ousted-because-he-s-a-jew-or-a-bit-hawkish-on-nukes.aspx

  2. oao says:

    this demonstrates the ignorance in the west about what’s really going on in iran:

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KF16Ak05.html

    reform, shmeform. looks like it is a power play of the vested interests.

  3. sshender says:

    Is there such overwhelming evidence that the election results were fulsified?!! I, for once, have not heard of it. So is it possible that the elections do in fact reflect the will of the people, and the oposition is just venting out its frastration the way people of this region usually do? If that is the case, then all of Joe’s commentry is misplaced, given that democracy was practiced, and as in the case of Hamas, the radicals won.

  4. oao says:

    Is there such overwhelming evidence that the election results were fulsified?!!

    Given the ignorance of the west, that’s one of the first things I was thinking.

    About the only thing that seems suspicious is that the % were all the same by location, group, etc., which is quite unlikely/ there was also something about the way in which the results were announced — not as per the regular procedure, but I don’t recall the details.

    if there was such a high percentage for achtungmyjihad across the board it would be difficult to expect such scope and intensity of demonstrations.

    the reality nobody knows what actually happened but given the nature of the regime, it would not be farfetched to suspect foul play.

  5. Sophia says:

    Regardless I don’t think the outcry from the people can be ignored nor can it be disregarded. These demonstrations were huge and apparently are ongoing.

    Nor can we disregard the attacks by government on the people.

    Certainly this should be a wakeup call for those who have been trying to present this regime as a “vibrant democracy”, such as Zbignew Brzenzinski, the “realist” (does he think we are nuts or what????).

    Here is Amir Taheri:

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/21432

    It is hypocritical of us to turn our backs on people who want human rights, the same rights we hold dear. Certainly this wasn’t the case when March 14 stood against Syria and the Hezbollah! Were our leaders silent then?

    This isn’t just a matter of voting or election fraud. It is a matter of transparency in government, the right to openly select political candidates, which obviously now is not the case, the right to dissent, the right to free expression, the right to stand in the city square and yell your head off about the government and not fear violent retaliation (as per Sharansky who knows a thing or two about repression).

    Do we stand for these things or do we not?

    Have we really surrendered to “realism” and expediency? Did we elect The Iraq Study Commission and Walt/Mearscheimer? Or what?

    Read Hitchens here:

    http://www.slate.com/id/2220520/

    Even Roger Cohen has changed his tune. Even the NYT.

    So? What exactly do we stand for?

  6. Sophia says:

    From BBC:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8098907.stm

    Note the number people supporting Ahmadijenad – who voted for him – in Britain.

  7. davod says:

    Let us not forget the main Mullah allowed opposition candidate is not a moderate.

    I fear many on the street will be betrayed if the election is overturned (by the Mullahs) in his favor.

  8. davod says:

    PS:

    You have a post below about a perpetual Israeli human shield. I wonder if we are seeing the big lie (If the lie is big enough they will believe) played out in Iran.

  9. sshender says:

    The UK results come as no surprise to anyone familiar with the Muslim street in the Britain. I think that by now it is pretty clear that instead of moderating, the west has emboldened Muslim immigrants to openly support the worst of what their culture and religion have to offer, probably because of the Multi-Culti environment that “celebrates” diversity instead of the host culture’s virtues that gave rise to such tolerance in the first place.

    Did anyone say Londonistan?

  10. Michelle Schatzman says:

    What I learnt from french sources about the voting process in Iran is the following:

    - there are no lists of electors, so they do not have to register
    - you come with a proof of identity, typically your birth certificate if I understand correctly
    - nothing prevents you from voting several times
    - you write in the name of the candidate ; if you are illiterate, a nice Pasdaran will certainly help you to write the name of your candidate, but since you can’t read, you can’t check

    So, I bet that it is really, really easy to do nice and interesting things in this system. In any case, there was no international body of observers, so the news are as good as the people who give them.

  11. oao says:

    I fear many on the street will be betrayed if the election is overturned (by the Mullahs) in his favor.

    yup. his background is well known and it’s not pretty.
    he is, for example, one of the founders of hezbollah.

    it turns out that mousavi is the candidate of khatami-rafsanjani. there is no refeorm there — only a conflict of interests between them and the khamenei/achtungmyjihad faction, which would have replaced one dictatorship with another. and it would have been worse, because the new faction would have fooled the west much more effectively.

    but the result will not be changed after khamenei has declared the result divine — the implication would be destructive.

    the west has emboldened Muslim immigrants to openly support the worst of what their culture and religion have to off

    particularly if they don’t have to live under it and they can use it to damage the infidel culture which they perceive weak.

    So, I bet that it is really, really easy to do nice and interesting things in this system.

    yes and given the western utter ignorance and the media portraying the farce as an election and alibama seeing and hearing no evil, but a healthy debate, the mullahs are wiping the floor with the west.

  12. oao says:

    here’s who mousavi is:

    http://www.newmajority.com/ShowScroll.aspx?ID=b9745d94-b8fa-426e-9f6a-d696813dbb56

    apparently there are two factions of mullahs — khamenei/achtungmyjihad and rafsanjani/khtami who are fighting it out, which has nothing to do with reform, democracy and the rest of the nonsense that the west is projecting on iran out of ignorance.

  13. oao says:

    Iranian Faux-Uprising is Stupid, Pointless
    By Debbie Schlussel
    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2009/06/top_israeli_off.html

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