Human Rights Complex Take 13476: HRW Does Hatchet Job on IDF and (silently) exculpates Hamas

HRW continues its assault on Israel based on methodologies that, were they used in science, would have us still living in the Ptolemean universe (i.e., human rights revolve around the Palestinians). Fortunately, both NGO Monitor and the IDF are responding vigorously.

Begin with what HRW doesn’t want to mention: i.e., that Hamas “operatives” systematically use civilians as shields, including those who wave white flags. Here’s IDF aerial footage from January 7, 2009 showing just such an incident.

Comment: Captured in this aerial footage, a Hamas terrorist plants an IED and then climbs into a house containing uninvolved civilians. Later the civilians and the Hamas terrorist exit the house waiving a white flag, at which point IDF troops approach and arrest the terrorist.

This is just one of many examples of how Hamas uses uninvolved civilians as human shields. This example is particularly egregious since the terrorist used civilians waving a white flag to try to evade IDF soldiers.

Why does the HRW report contain no mention of these Hamas tactics, despite the fact that elsewhere they do acknowledge the problem? I think for two reasons.

1) It takes the moral heat off of Israel. How can you get your back into accusing Israel for shooting at people with white flags when there are combattants hiding among them. (Idem for ambulances, checkpoints, etc.) Exhibit B is the explanation for this twisted morality. Noah Pollak over at Contentions explains how both Sarah Leah Whitson of Saudi notoriety and the author of the report, Joe Stork, have long careers and anti-Israel advocates (“pro-Palestinian” would be too twisted a term for people who have no problem with the Palestinian treatment of their own refugees).

And 2) it raises a huge problem of the validity of the testimony they collect among Palestinians. If Hamas will fire from the midst of civilians, hide behind white-flag toting refugees, and keep them cooped up in areas to which they draw fire, then surely they are not going to be very happy with Palestinians complaining about that behavior. Once HRW grants that such matters go on within the same report in which they present Palestinian evidence as their key source for their allegations, the epistemological house of cards begins to fall.

So exhibit C is an analysis of a particular case which I treated at some length in the aftermath of operation Cast Lead — the tale of the Abed Rabbo family. Here Elder of Ziyon examines the way in which HRW uses testimony whose only value is to document how unreliable Palestinian witnesses tend to be, in order to indict Israeli soldiers.

Finally, NGO Monitor produced its own critique: HRW’s ‘White Flags’ Report Surrenders Morality.

Update: Buzzsawmonkey, a commenter at LGF, posted the following lyrics to be sung to the tune of Pink Floyd’s Brain Damage.

Collateral Damage
–with apologies to Pink Floyd’s “Brain Damage

The terrorist’s behind the wall
The terrorist’s behind the wall
Setting an IED trap, hoping soldiers will fall
To kill Jews is important over all

The terrorist is in the shed
The terrorist is in the shed
At the first alarm, beneath its roof he fled
He’s trying to sight his cross hairs on your head

And if Israel’s patience comes at last to end
And if it goes in to clean out the nest
There is no reason, its enemies pretend
You’ll see how loud the NGOs protest

The terrorist is in the house
The terrorist is in the house
He’s got a white flag to cover up his gun
He’ll use the first to hide the other one

That’s how it goes
As we all know
And it will be whitewashed by NGOs

And if the tapes show, and clearly reveal
Hamas uses civilian shields
Don’t think they’ll admit lies, or make a clean breast
You’ll see how loud the NGOs protest

Further Update:

Huffington Post treats the subject. Comments indicate a relatively braindead readership.

List of all the blogs posting on this.

83 Responses to Human Rights Complex Take 13476: HRW Does Hatchet Job on IDF and (silently) exculpates Hamas

  1. [...] Richard Landes: Human Rights Complex Take 13476: HRW Does Hatchet Job on IDF and (silently) exculpates Hamas [...]

  2. oao says:

    this crap is now coming out of the woodwork and it’s impossible to respond to it. and any responses do not change matters. it’s a waste of time to even bother.

    what is interesting to me is how much of hamas’ ability to use shields due to fear and how much due to conviction. remember the women who gathered to prevent the IDF from capturing terrorists? and the public gathering on tops of buildings to prevent bombing sources of terror?

    folks: there may be aspects of hamas regime pals hate and there may be some fear of them, but when it comes to terrorizing israel they love hamas. the pals ARE hamas.

  3. [...] Landes asks an important question: Why doesn’t HRW’s white-flags report mention Hamas’s use of civilians and [...]

  4. E.G. says:

    Double Standards 101.
    Hamas is a movement governing a territory, not a state. So it is not held by, nor does it abide to conventional rules of war.
    Israel, on the other hand, is a state and its army – both by Israeli law and by Intl. law, the former being more strict than the latter – is held to (Israeli) doctrine and Intl. conventions.

    So the Human Shield technique, widely used by Hamas, gets away, while while the IDF gets criticised for foiling such acts of barbarity.

    What’s the game HRW is playing?
    “Any lie Hamas provides is worth the same, or more, credibility as evidence provides-d by the IDF”? Why? Because the ones we consider as victims are more trustworthy than a regular army’s “narrative”?”

  5. Solomonia says:

    Video: Hamas Terrorist Hides Behind White Flag: Human Rights Watch AWOL…

    Human Rights Watch is at it again, condemning a Western nation (Israel), while utterly ignoring the sins of its terrorist enemy. Here’s the reality they ignore: Fortunately, the IDF is responding quickly: HRW Report on Civilian Targeting Based on Unre…

  6. Tatterdemalian says:

    The IDF has been responding vigorously to the accusations against it for years, if the archives at MEMRI are any indication. There are videos of Palestinians using UN ambulances to move terrorists armed with assault rifles into Israel in the days before the Wall and checkpoints. There’s even a video I saw of a PLO APC with children literally strapped to it, recorded driving through the streets of East Jerusalem around 1:43 AM.

    There is no such thing as an argument so meticulously proven and so thoroughly backed up by scientific research that it cannot be summarily dismissed by ignorant people who simply do not want to believe it.

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  8. oao says:

    Israel, on the other hand, is a state and its army – both by Israeli law and by Intl. law, the former being more strict than the latter – is held to (Israeli) doctrine and Intl. conventions.

    i wish that were the case.

    israel’s behavior is well beyond what the int’l law requires to the point of absurdity and it’s not enough, while hamas gets away with atrocities.

  9. Tatterdemalian says:

    Those of you who had “13 hours” as the time it would take for Human Rights Watch to denounce the video of Hamas terrorists planting bombs and then waving white flags while hiding among civilians as “trying to discredit the report and Human Rights Watch,” “waging a propaganda war against them,” and the classic left-wing “silencing criticism,” claim your prize.

  10. Lorenz Gude says:

    I was actually pleasantly surprised by both the article and comments at Huffington Post because both sides of the argument were actually present. I think this is a good example of how the many to many nature of the Internet erodes the grip of the MSNM. So HuffPo is to the left, but despite the ideologically prejudicial headline there is balance in the article and even more in the comments. While the truly brain dead will remain impervious to differing views those that have any kind of open mind will get it that maybe HRW are not trustworthy. Denting the credibility of ‘trusted sources’ like HRW is precisely what the MSNM carefully tries to avoid even while pretending balance. It regularly uses apparently neutral sources which are actually deeply committed players to force a covert agenda on the audience as a magician forces a card on a dupe. Now an unruly audience gets to point out when the magician is pulling a fast one. One of the most annoying new voices in that audience – from an MSNM point of view – must be Augean Stables. Look at the trackbacks and other blogs taking up the issue of a tired old agitprop group like HRW and their MSNM clients. That the issue gets raised at all spells ruin and they can’t stop it because the very structure of the new media environment destroys their control of the narrative. The red pill is working – just more slowly than in the movies.

  11. E.G. says:

    Almost a month old, but relevant

    Israel vs. Human Rights Watch

  12. E.G. says:

    Dogma rules!

    “the group is criticizing Saudi Arabia — where it recently boasted about its problems with Israel in order to butter up Arab donors — for teaching detained terror suspects that Al Qaeda’s militant ideology is un-Islamic. HRW objects to this program, saying that “human rights law does not permit the detention of persons to undergo a reeducation program.”

    Yes, we wouldn’t want mass murderers to be convinced that mass murder is wrong, would we?”
    http://jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/08/hrw_let_terror_suspects_believ.php

  13. oao says:

    Those of you who had “13 hours” as the time it would take for Human Rights Watch to denounce the video of Hamas terrorists

    what else could they do? and isn’t that the tradition of the left?

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  15. Eliyahu says:

    LG points out part of the strategy of the MSM in promoting false “news”.
    Denting the credibility of ‘trusted sources’ like HRW is precisely what the MSNM carefully tries to avoid even while pretending balance. It regularly uses apparently neutral sources which are actually deeply committed players to force a covert agenda on the audience as a magician forces a card on a dupe.

    LG goes on to mention the impact of the Internet and intelligent blogs on MSM/Establishment control of the “narrative.”
    Now an unruly audience gets to point out when the magician is pulling a fast one.

    I hope he’s right.

  16. Eliyahu says:

    The next issue to take up in regard to the falsely impartial sources –like hrw– is the matter of funding. Now we know that hrw goes to Saudi Arabia for funding, even appealing to govt officials there [an AFP report noted that three Saudi govt officials were present at one of hrw's fundraising meetings. Yet the kingdom of Saudi Arabia rejects the very notion of human rights in principle. The hrw spokespersons have not proven to us that any of the Saudi donors and/or potential donors whom they addressed there are doing anything to change or protest their country's principled contempt and rejection of HR.

    Another fake outfit is J Street which pretends to be "pro-Israel" while opposing Israel on every issue and tightly adhering to State Dept policy. The JPost reported that J Street gets tens of thousands [I would think more] from Arabs and from an Iranian lobbyist in the USA.

  17. oao says:

    I hope he’s right.

    he is, but that does not make mush difference.

    The next issue to take up in regard to the falsely impartial sources –like hrw– is the matter of funding.

    that’s not just another issue, but THE issue! find the funding sources and it usually explains 80%.

    i just saw an item saying that hrw and 2 other “ngo’s” are funded by the dutch and other eu govts.

  18. Cynic says:

    As far as I know J Street also gets funding from Soros.

  19. oao says:

    As far as I know J Street also gets funding from Soros.

    soros is in everything.

  20. E.G. says:

    oao’s link above is a must read.

  21. Cynic says:

    By the way Solomonia has an English translation of a Ben-Dror Yemini Hebrew article published in Maariv that Joe Stork of HRW supported the Munich Massacre

    AUTHOR OF REPORT AGAINST ISRAEL SUPPORTED MUNICH MASSACRE

  22. Michelle Schatzman says:

    There is an interesting link in the commentary blog :

    http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2009_08_16-2009_08_22.shtml#1250513892

    There, David Bernstein looks at more recent writings and declarations by Joe Stork. I agree with Bernstein that an awful declaration in 1972 is not cause for a present attack. Moreover, since Stork’s 1972 declaration is cut (there is an ellipsis), one should be wary since the missing part might change the sense of the declaration.

    But Bernstein makes an interesting statement on Stork’s credentials : here is his conclusion:

    Which leads to the question of why Human Rights Watch hired him in 1996 to be a senior member of its Middle East staff, direct from his position as editor of Middle East Report. When HRW hired Stork, as near as I can tell (see his official HRW bio), he had no law degree and had not practiced international law, had never worked for a human rights group, had no military experience or experience with munitions, never held an academic position (he has an M.A. in international affairs), and otherwise had no specific qualifications one could pinpoint that would suggest that he’d be the person an “objective” human rights group would hire to a top position.

    Stork did have a great deal of experience, however, as a leftist anti-Israel polemicist, who sought to undermine U.S.-Israel ties. One can only assume that this is why HRW director Ken Roth hired him.

  23. E.G. says:

    Savta Michelle,

    I wouldn’t call exposing what seems to be the sole qualification to join the “club” of a Rights group, HRW in this case, “an attack”.

    There is a credibility problem with reports penned by non-qualified persons.

  24. Cynic says:

    Michelle,
    One can only assume that this is why HRW director Ken Roth hired him.

    Sherlock Holmes:
    “How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?
    :-)

  25. Michelle Schatzman says:

    E.G.,

    I agree with you, I should check my english more!

    I’m still a h’ad-savta, not yet a du-savta… but in a few days, hopefully… :-)

  26. oao says:

    Which leads to the question of why Human Rights Watch hired him in 1996 to be a senior member of its Middle East staff, direct from his position as editor of Middle East Report

    i hope the question is rhetorical, because bernstein answers it utterly.

    “How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?

    ah, but you see, the whole problem of the west is that they first eliminate the truth and then only the improbable remains.

  27. Cynic says:

    Solomonia today has another piece “Unfair to Joe Stork?”

    and has a a link to Robin Shepherd’s post on the Nazification of Israel in a Guardian op-ed by Slovenian philosopher Slavoj Zizek.

    One can see it all coming together as Europe and the West in general make another case against the Jews.

  28. E.G. says:

    ah, but you see, the whole problem of the west is that they first eliminate the truth and then only the improbable remains.

    That’s exactly what Zizek has committed.
    It’s a piece of poison.

  29. oao says:

    Slovenian philosopher Slavoj Zizek

    philosopher my ass.

    One can see it all coming together as Europe and the West in general make another case against the Jews.

    you did not believe the “never again” nonsense, did you?

    the world was, is and will always prefer to deplore dead jews than to prevent their killing.

  30. Pathological Politics: Human Rights Watch’s “White Flags” Report…

    HRW’s allegation that Israeli forces deliberately killed Palestinian non-combatants who had surrendered is an incendiary moral indictment which repeats the bias and double standards shown in previous publications.

    Video evidence clearly shows a…

  31. oao says:

    if haaretz bothers to deplore this, it must be something.

    buying out academia, ngo’s, even land in israel now — is there anything left of the west?

  32. oao says:

    oops, wrong link:

    http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com/2009/08/lockerbie-bomber-freed-and-returns-to.html

    but i urge you to read the wrong link too — it shows what alibama thinks of judaism. are those rabbis rally jews?

  33. oao says:

    they seem more like the archbishop of canterbury.
    you know — judeo-chritianity is the root of morality and the foundation of western civilization.

  34. Cynic says:

    Michelle,

    With regard to #25 above, Solomonia has another post up

    Ben-Dror Yemini
    HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS BECAME THE PROBLEM OF HUMAN RIGHTS
    In which he responds to Stork’s “objection” to being criticized:
    Ben-Dror Yemini: Crime Against Humanity (The HRW/Joe Stork Follow-Up)

    Stork was one of MERIP’s founders and the chief editor of the journal which published a statement in support of the massacre. It is a pity that Stork does not read his own CV as it appears on HRW’s official website. The determination that the action was “an important boost in morale” for the Palestinians is part
    …………..
    This allows Stork to claim that there were no responses. This is what he does. When Steinberg previously issued a biting and substantive criticism, Stork arrogantly responded that he is not at all interested in criticism against him.

  35. E.G. says:

    It’s clear that “Human Rights Watch” (but not only) is Newspeak for Übermensch targeting Untermensch.
    “Supermen” of Stork’s kind are impermeable to Human-made criteria set for valid judgement or assessment, think they are beyond Human criticism, and that their agenda is the single worth considering for the Human kind. Using Goebbelsian “methodology” while abusing Nazi imagery and analogies, Übermenschlich vilification of the old/new Untermensch – Israeli Jews – is about one right only: the right to accuse Israeli Jews for any real or imagined crime in total impunity.

  36. E.G. says:

    On another thread, Eliyahu referred to sinistrofascisti.
    They’re not only Left perversions. They’re sinister as well.

  37. oao says:

    oh, they probably deem all jews untermensch. why do you think judt et. al. make such an effort to distance themselves.

  38. Cynic says:

    Here’s a column by Andrew C. McCarthy in which he lets “slip” this bit:
    And the Justice Department recently hired Jennifer Daskal, a left-wing activist from Human Rights Watch (my emphasis), to help shape its detainee policies. She has worked in behalf of terrorist prisoners for years. To give just a thumbnail sketch, Daskal has expressed doubt about the guilt of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (arguing that we may have tortured him into admitting to the atrocities he has repeatedly bragged about committing); has lamented that one detainee, “a self-styled poet,” suffered abuse in U.S. custody when he “found it was nearly impossible to write poetry anymore because the prison guards would only allow him to keep a pen or pencil in his cell for short periods of time”; and has argued on behalf of terrorist detainee Omar Khadr, who was 15 when he allegedly launched the grenade that killed U.S. Army Sgt. First Class Christopher Speer, because a prosecution of Khadr would violate his “rights as a child.” (Next month, Khadr will be 23.)

    Terrorists Go Scot Free

    So what can one expect from an organization more concerned with terrorist’s rights than the rights of innocent citizens?

  39. E.G. says:

    activist is a term denoting someone mentally colonized by a weaponized idea.

    Lorenz Gude’s Devil’s Dictionary

  40. Eliyahu says:

    It’s not only the so-called “human rights” bodies that fake their results. Universities too, albeit in Germany. I would not be surprised to learn that it goes on the USA too.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090822/ap_on_re_eu/eu_germany_university_investigation

  41. Cynic says:

    E.G.,
    Where is Lorenz Gude’s Devil’s Dictionary to be found?

  42. E.G. says:

    Cynic,

    On the “Whitson” thread here. It’s in preparation and I suspect your contributions will significantly increase the number of entries (2 at present).

  43. oao says:

    So what can one expect from an organization more concerned with terrorist’s rights than the rights of innocent citizens?

    more important is what one can expect from alibama’s department of justice? it is now in line with hrw.

  44. oao says:

    I would not be surprised to learn that it goes on the USA too.

    are you serious? not surprised? be certain.

  45. oao says:

    and gordon did not know his comments in LATimes would
    actually trigger a boycott of his own university:

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1109438.html

  46. Cynic says:

    With regard to the link to haaretz above:

    And yet while these two groups live in the same area, they are subjected to totally different legal systems.

    Obviously they don’t give the reason why the Palestinians are still governed by Jordanian rules and the Israelis not.

    For the tabletmag link James Kirchick writes:
    Two days after a ceasefire took effect, Evans found himself on the Jordanian side of the Jordan River with an Arab army regiment, when an Israeli fighter jet “appeared out of nowhere and strafed them.” According to Barnes, Novak said that the “relationship between Rowley and Israel was downhill ever since.”

    We get no circumstances surrounding this incident. We get no facts to provide understanding just that the journalist’s emotions get the better of him.

  47. Cynic says:

    oao,

    Gordon doesn’t give a dog’s doo about his university as long as Israel gets hurt.
    Somewhere along the line he got hurt and tossed facts out of the window to concoct the versions he gets into print.

  48. E.G. says:

    Ah, Neve Gordon.

    Claims he’s acting out of moral considerations.
    That the moral solution is a 2-state one (including right of return). And that the moral way to achieve that goal is to exert external pressure on Israel’s democratically elected govt.

    I know it’s going to trigger oao’s “standard” comment (which I join) but it seems to me that this guy is professing a very anti-democratic procedure. In the name of democracy and high moral grounds.

  49. oao says:

    We get no circumstances surrounding this incident. We get no facts to provide understanding just that the journalist’s emotions get the better of him.

    my guess: how dare the israelis strafe ME, the elite columnist? if they do that, they must be wrong.

    it’s also very likely that there was a reason for the strafing, but it does not count when egos are high.

    as to novak, he internalized antisemitism from the right just like judt who does it from the left. they probably got better socially that way.

    Gordon doesn’t give a dog’s doo about his university as long as Israel gets hurt.

    i di not claim otherwise. what i meant was that he probably did not intend THAT kind of boycott.

    this guy is professing a very anti-democratic procedure. In the name of democracy and high moral grounds.

    afaik the left was never a proponent of democracy. their high morals always overrode freedom and democracy.

    apparently gordon aspires not only for the pals to get the democracy of the PA and hamas, but would love to impose it on the israelis too. after all, that would be so much moral.

  50. E.G. says:

    impose it on the israelis too. after all, that would be so much moral.

    And democratic!
    One preaches/slanders/calls for anti-democratic procedures because in a democracy one is entitled to free speech. But that’s only one of the many features of democracy.
    Demopathy in the making.

  51. Eliyahu says:

    neve gordon’s moralistic pose reminds of that snotty brat of a politically influential father, avrum burg. Burg is part Uriah Heep and part concentration camp kapo. A bad combo. The hypocrisy just oozes out of him. By the way, I have met him personally and spoken with him. I can’t stand him. Burg issued a moralistic outburst –was it in LeMonde?– just a couple of weeks after losing a court case in which he was demanding that his former employer, the Jewish Agency, provide him with a car and chauffeur indefinitely. He lost the case. So what does one do in that situation? One issues a moralistic, preachy, prechi-precha, holier than thou, מתחסד jeremiad against Israel and its people.

  52. oao says:

    some diaspora jews are beginning to repulse me. apparently they learned nothing from history.

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1249418673856&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

    they should not wonder about any consequences.

  53. Eliyahu says:

    on the swedish blood libel, this morning Ma`ariv published an article giving more evidence of swedish social democratic hypocrisy. A few years ago, the same author of the article now in question published a book with some of the same body parts claims in it. What was missing was the more recent story of the Jew from New York or New Jersey now accused of trading in body parts [as barry rubin says, no accusation of murder for that purpose has been made]. Now this man has not been convicted of the crime, nor –as far as I know– has het even been formally indicted. Yet our swedish “investigative reporter” made a connection between that man and what he claims to have been told by some Arabs back about 15 years ago.

    What is more important, the proof of Swedish govt hypocrisy, is that the book was subsidized by the Swedish govt. For that they ought to apologize. FM Lieberman pointed out another proof of swedish hypocrisy. Several years ago, the swedish FM, then a woman, issued a strong condemnation of the Muhammad cartoons which were published not in sweden but in Denmark, not even in her own country. Yet she spoke out about them. Now bildt claims that his refusal to condemn the article is based on respect for freedom of press.

    the end of Western Civ

  54. oao says:

    And democratic!
    One preaches/slanders/calls for anti-democratic procedures because in a democracy one is entitled to free speech. But that’s only one of the many features of democracy.

    i very much doubt that gordon is really about democracy.
    he uses the term because it is one of the so-called declared principles of the west (not to be confused with the real principles in practice). there is no way he does not know the democracy of arabs/pals.

  55. oao says:

    i wondered for a while why such intense anti-semitism in sweden and norway, although i should not have had i remembered and important detail to which i am usually cognizant of.

    a recent article reminded me of the religion there: lutheran!!! enough said.

    leftism is as much of a dogma as religion. so they can coexist quite symbiotically when it comes to jews.

  56. oao says:

    Several years ago, the swedish FM, then a woman, issued a strong condemnation of the Muhammad cartoons which were published not in sweden but in Denmark, not even in her own country.

    it also apologized to muslim states. see my link above.

    the end of Western Civ

    geez, eliyahu, you are a pessimist! you sound just like me.

  57. Cynic says:

    apparently gordon aspires not only for the pals to get the democracy of the PA and hamas, but would love to impose it on the israelis too. after all, that would be so much moral.

    Nah. He wants to bash the Israelis. He has something against the entity.
    Much the same I suppose like those “see America writhe in pain and destruction” leftists so common in the media nowadays.
    That manifestation of schadenfreude expressed by those who harried the coffins of dead servicemen, mockingly.
    Look for a psychological problem which defines this profile.

  58. Cynic says:

    Eliyahu wrote:

    he was demanding that his former employer, the Jewish Agency, provide him with a car and chauffeur indefinitely. He lost the case. So what does one do in that situation? One issues a moralistic, preachy, prechi-precha, holier than thou, מתחסד jeremiad against Israel and its people.

    Here we have an explanation of the shallowness of some people so I suppose with Gordon we might have a similar measly excuse for an addled psyche to gnaw on.

  59. Cynic says:

    Eliyahu,

    Many years ago, heh, during the 80s in South America I heard Burg talking on Kol Yisrael (shortwave) and enthusing about being in the Judean Hills, the beauty of the place and being able to live in that part of the country, yadda yadda.
    What happened, he fell and banged his head or was he illusioned by his birthright?

  60. E.G. says:

    See what happens when some words (e.g., rights) are redefined à la Bierce?

  61. oao says:

    He wants to bash the Israelis. He has something against the entity.

    and what better way than to impose a pal regime on them?

    Look for a psychological problem which defines this profile.

    when you think you’re more moral than all while you lost your moral compass — now THAT’s a psychological problem.

    Here we have an explanation of the shallowness of some people

    some people? the overwhelming majority.

    I watched a video of P.J. Rourke the other day. when asked how did he go from a leftist to a conservative he said: leftist for sex and conservative when they took too much out of his first check. and they think he’s an intellectual.

    What happened, he fell and banged his head or was he illusioned by his birthright?

    and epiphany.

  62. oao says:

    That Sweden was the focal point for this kind of vicious libel is not surprising. But the more important point is that each month now, it seems, new lines are crossed in what is deemed acceptable commentary on Israel in the world press. The demonization of Israel that is breaking out all over, closely resembles the demonization of Jews in Nazi Germany before World War War 2. It is the path to making elimination more acceptable. Jews then, Israel now.

  63. Eliyahu says:

    cynic, Burg was always disgusting. I met him in the late 1980s, as I recall. I also know people who know him, have talked to him, even about somewhat personal matters. A family related to me by marriage lived in Nataf [near Abu Ghosh] where he lived in the Judean Hills. So I got unfavorable reports about him back in the 1980s, besides meeting him personally. When I met him, I reminded him of the Talmudic story about the ancient Jewish king [one of the Hasmoneans actually] who was on his death bed. I don’t remember exactly why I reminded of this story. Anyhow, it goes like this. The king told his wife, preparing her politically for his demise: Don’t fear the Pharisees and don’t fear those who are not Pharisees. The ones to fear are the hypocrites.
    Now for some reason, burg did not like that story. It annoyed him and he remonstrated with me for my understanding of it. Since then, I have realized why he likely didn’t like the story. He is a great hypocrite.

    When you heard him talk about the beauty of the Judean Hills and the Land of Israel, he may have merely been setting himself up as a sympathetic person and loyal Zionist. But bear in mind: Burg was a member of the Kfar haYaroq

  64. Eliyahu says:

    . . . the Kfar haYaroq Group. This group or gang was formed in the late 1970s, as I recall, by certain young members of the Labor Party, including Hayim Ramon [less a hypocrite than a pig], Yuli Tamir [a female associate of Pig Ramon], Amir Peretz, avram burg, Yosi Beilin, and maybe a few others. They set themselves the goal back then of bringing Israel towards acceptance of the PLO, of the so-called “palestinian people” and its “national rights,” etc. This kind of political program is what passes since the 1970s for “leftist.” Little talk of the working class, much talk of rights for a people that had never existed in history, talk of perpetual peace after making a deal with arafat and his PLO, etc.

    So avrum burg belonged to haKfar haYaroq from its beginnings, late 1970s or early 1980s. He was a slimy hypocrite from the start. This is not to mention how he first got a seat in the Knesset [I forget the year]. I am told that he used immoral tactics, cheating, in the Labor Party primary preceding that election in order to get a better, higher position on the Labor Party list, which would give him a better chance to win a Knesset seat.

    Now he throws around all sorts of moralistic stercum in order to besmirch Israel among the nations. One may imagine that Little Avrum, not so young anymore, may be the recipient of pecuniary favors from Western govts. I have no proof but his behavior is suggestive. What is tragic is that his mother was one of the Jewish refugees from the 1929 pogrom in Hebron, although his father was always sort of crooked, not matching his son’s crookedness, I’m sure.

    do you know that walt or mearsheimer –one of them– pontificated that Israelis and/or American Jews were showing moral insensitivity by not embracing burg’s latest stercolated book — or non-book, as the case may be??
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    correction to #77:
    …exactly why I reminded HIM of this story. . .

  65. Eliyahu says:

    about the Swedish govt, these are great hypocrites. It is important to understand that the author of the offending article, Bostrom, published a book called “Inshallah” back in 2001 that contained some of the body parts accusations, without the connection to the recent arrest of a Jew in New York on a charge of trading in body parts. Now, this book was subsidized by the Swedish foreign ministry. So Swedish FM Carl Bildt has a good reason for not condemning the body parts libel. His own ministry paid to circulate that libel 8 years ago. The subsidy came out in Ma`ariv. I haven’t seen it in HaArets or the JPost or Yedi`ot. See link:

    http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2009/08/scandalous-sanctimonious-sinister.html

    What is extremely important and sinister here is that a supposedly civilized Western, democratic country wants to circulate Judeophobic blood libels and does it by subsidizing books on the matter, etc. Sweden now holds the rotating presidency of the warmongering EU and Carl bildt is the EU’s delegate to the world’s war-ridden trouble spots.

  66. oao says:

    What is extremely important and sinister here is that a supposedly civilized Western, democratic country wants to circulate Judeophobic blood libels and does it by subsidizing books on the matter, etc.

    there never was a civilized western nation when it comes to jews. they just went dormant after the holocaust and are now coming out of the woodwork again.

    Sweden now holds the rotating presidency of the warmongering EU and Carl bildt is the EU’s delegate to the world’s war-ridden trouble spots.

    neither are they democratic — given the corrupt, bereaucratic and unaccountable EU superstructure they imposed on the continent.

    anyway, there is no longer a western democratic civilization. with the fall of the US, it;s all gone.

  67. oao says:

    israel’s best friend in europe:

    European miconceptions
    http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2009/08/european-miconceptions.html

  68. JD says:

    You all must view this

    Marc Garlasco – Is HRW’s Anti-Israel Investigator A Nazi-Obsessed Collector?

    http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11275875.html

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