Haiku on Arab Exports

It’s now the anniversary of my father’s stroke, and for a while there it looked like he’d checked out. The doctors didn’t help with their extremely cautious prognoses. But he’s improved consistently, and although we knew he followed conversations and “got” what was being said — mostly because he’d laugh in the right places — his articulation was limited. Today he gave me the punch line to this haiku:

    do arabs export
    more oil or hate? and
    which do people value more?

47 Responses to Haiku on Arab Exports

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  2. Joanne says:

    In answer to your father’s question about valuing oil more or hatred, here’s my answer:

    As long as the world
    remains dependent on oil,
    oil will finance hate.

  3. Eliyahu says:

    RL, refu’ah shlemah for your father.

    Speaking of Arab exports, how about the large financial contributions that Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf oil states make to American universities? Iran too, non-Arab but militantly Muslim, was just reported by the New York Post to be contributing funds to both Rutgers and Columbia. Two years ago, Columbia gave ahmadinejad a platform for one of his wacky, inciting speeches. Could there be a link between A-jad’s invitation to speak at Columbia and the contribution?

  4. Joanne says:

    OK, here’s another one:

    Until someone finds
    Other energy sources,
    We’re in deep trouble.

  5. Lorenz Gude says:

    When you start looking at the ‘bads and disservices’ to the West involved in the transaction it is no longer a win win. It is not just the use of the revenue to finance jihad, but the undermining of our institutions – like buying the services of government officials – retired and perhaps otherwise – and getting a financial lock on PC places like Yale and Columbia. Use only our own oil and replace it with nuclear asap is the policy I’d like to see.

  6. Cynic says:

    What is amusing in some way is to witness the degrees to which those who have always had negative things to say about Jews and money, scrimmage for the handouts of tyrants as they sell their birthright for a mess of pottage.
    And those who scream “dual loyalty” at Jews, then use the services of a Jew to pull the chestnuts out of the fire as was alleged about J F-the-Js Baker getting his client’s “investment” out from Saddam Hussein’s Iraq at the time, contrary to the laws of the USA.
    Yes, hypocrisy reigns supreme and will override the sagacity of being energy independent.

  7. Daniel Bielak says:

    “What is amusing in some way…”

    It is not amusing. It is maddening.

    As long as Jewish people continue to not only not verbally defend themselves but continue to lead the perverse immoral attack against Jewish people, history will continue to repeat itself.

    First, we who are Jewish must begin to learn how to speak clearly (without being overwhelmed by maddening frustration, without any form of subtle or gross frustration-caused self-harming sarcasm, without any profoundly directly extremely harmful-to-Jewish-people, and indirectly very harmful-to-the-whole-world, immoral, reflexive unjust “self-confessing”, etc, etc).

  8. Daniel Bielak says:

    Cynic, I hope I did not hurt your feelings or offend you with my previous comment. I did not intend to do so, but I realized that I may have. I appreciate your understanding. I appreciated everyone else’s understanding who posts comments on this blog.

    I appreciate this blog very much. Thank you RL and everyone else.

    oao, I appreciate your understanding.

    I hope you’re doing ok.

    “What we learned is that there is no Left and Right. There are the decent people and there is the mob.”
    - a quote I heard attributed to a Jewish witness of the 1920′s, 1930′s, and the Holocaust

  9. Daniel Bielak says:

    correction:
    “I appreciated everyone else’s understanding who posts comments on this blog.”

    I appreciate everyone else’s understanding who posts comments on this blog.

    (please forgive my poor grammar that exists even in my corrected sentence – it is too difficult for me right now to articulate very well in writing well)

  10. Daniel Bielak says:

    an important clarification:

    “…reflexive unjust “self-confessing”…”

    …reflexive, unjust, appeasing, false “confessing”…

  11. Cynic says:

    Daniel Bielak,

    No you did not hurt my feelings.
    Some times I express myself in an odd manner for the 21st century. Maybe I should have worked ‘wry smile’ or ‘grimly humorous’ into the sentence to denote how I feel without raising my blood pressure too high.

    Unfortunately Jews have for centuries been indoctrinated into the dhimmi world they live in that they do not know how to verbally defend themselves in a loud voice.
    If they so much as protested they were dead.
    We see the reaction even today as they are constantly warned to remember their place – dual loyalties and the usual stereotypical adjectives.
    They learned that the most immediate peace of mind they could hope to get was to keep quiet and creep away to avoid attention.
    Now Israelis rock the boat by daring to go against the world by protecting itself, so much so that European Jews, for example, during the summer of 2006 were cursing Israeli Jews because they suffered the reaction of their democratic countrymen who objected to Jews stepping out of line.
    When Sharon used the verbal approach, for those who remember, his asking that Israel not be used/abused like Czechoslovakia created an outburst of “shocked, shocked I tell you” from the State Department and other hypocrits.

    When Israel and Jewish leaders start treating the media and politicians like the louts that they are and get the message out of the double standard at play and call them on it every second things may improve.

  12. Scott says:

    I know I probably shouldn’t be at this site, (though RL has some nuanced essays on it, mostly on Europe), but I really wonder what alternative universe you guys live in. Do any of you really think that Jews in America are intimidated from speaking out in support of Israel? Compared to, say, Christians, who wonder why the United States should support a racially defined state that is in regular violation of international law, when their own country is relentlessly multicultural. Which group is more silent? Which group is larger? And oh, those intimidating reminders about “dual loyalties” which seem so 1930′s. They don’t seem very much to have menaced Rahm Emanuel, the president’s closest advisor, or indeed any other American Jews who have served in the IDF. Just for contrast, what other high ranking Americans have served in another country’s armed forces. Can you name one? So are Jews really reduced to dhimmi status, reminded to “remember their place.” It’s a completely upside down way of looking at the world.

  13. Lianne says:

    ‘Rahm Emmanuel served in the IDF’. The last time I saw that meme, it was a bunch of anti-semites commenting on the annoucement of his appointment to Chief of Staff. Probably one of the online newspapers, it might even have been Haaretz because someone pointed out the mistake.

  14. E.G. says:

    RL,

    Hachlama Mehira/ Fast Recovery for your father.

    It’s the snake oil
    They export
    And people buy at lost-face value.

  15. E.G. says:

    Scott,

    FYI, Judaism is a religion and the Jews are a people – a nation – that belongs to the Human race.
    I hope these notions are not too sophisticated for you to integrate.

  16. E.G. says:

    For Francophones:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEUYwzd330w

    And, for old times’ sake (no French needed):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtB-7P1kJJA

  17. Scott says:

    E.G. and Lianne,

    Yes, my apologies for hasty construction. Should be “a religiously defined state” — (though it’s a religion, that, for the state’s purposes, is defined by ethnicity and not religious practice or belief). And Emanuel was a civilian volunteer during war time, different than being a full-fledged IDF member. My point remains that American Jews have considerable room to operate in this area, and that all these lamentations about dual loyalty inquisitions are a bit ridiculous.

  18. Cynic says:

    I know I probably shouldn’t be at this site, (though RL has some nuanced essays on it, mostly on Europe), but I really wonder what alternative universe you guys live in.

    You’re permitted to voice your views so why the reticence?
    It seems that only the criticism aimed at Europe is worthy. So may I assume that the nuanced essays on the US are not?
    As for alternate universe, you projecting something?

    Do any of you really think that Jews in America are intimidated from speaking out in support of Israel?

    Yes, reading and watching your media and going by the way they are judged differently (dual loyalty) as opposed to Muslims for example whose allegiance to Islam is above that of the US of which they are citizens.
    If it is so 1930s why has John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt’s book which basically accuses the Jewish Lobby of dual loyalty and screwing America for the sake of Israel been so popular with the academic world?

    No complaints of the Arab lobby (Saudi Arabia, Abu Dabi, etc., represented by Baker Botts for example) which none of your media writes/talks about but to which a majority, it seems, of your diplomats are beholden, your academics brown nose for funds, and which is subverting your lifestyle slowly but surely as they drag the red herring across your track with that time old sucker bait.

    And then of course the US permits on campus and in the streets the “hate crimes” against Jews as we witnessed last January whereas Islam and Muslims cannot even be cited and quoted.

    Ram did not serve in the IDF but put in an appearance during the first gulf war for a photo op at a maintenance depot where he painted some rusty iron.
    There are plenty of people with Jewish names free to conform to leftwing desires, to be IN and contribute to trashing all Jews with the collective guilt of those who support Israel’s right to exist so many feel intimidated.
    Of course Ram gets a high ranking position cause he is for a Judenrein Jerusalem which policy he was responsible for pushing. No doubt to get those nasty Israelis to stop building he and Zeke are also for stopping childbirths there as well.

    Certainly the Evangelical Christians in the US are being intimidated and ridiculed by your fascist media and “leftwing” for believing in their faith and from supporting Jews. And other Christians cannot even celebrate Christmas without being being harried by the PC Secularists.

    who wonder why the United States should support a racially defined state

    Like say, Saudi Arabia for example, or Jordan?

    Israel is multicultural with people from all parts of the world living there. From Vietnamese, originally boat people, and not Jewish, Japanese Christian sect with their own kibbutz movement, Indians from India, Chinese, Muslims of the Bahai faith who are being killed in Iran, South Americans of all shapes and sizes, even Afro-Americans who live in Dimona (ask Whitney Houston), Ethiopians, Nigerians
    Safed even has an orthodox rabbi from Swaziland (know where that is?), ex Iraqis, Yemenis, Egyptians, Syrians, and of course nearly forgot Morrocans, Frenchmen speaking French in the street, Russians, Circassians and of course some white Americans, Bedouin, Druse and ordinary Arabs.

    And of course Israel also has an “illegal alien” problem with Africans and Asians looking for a better life. Just ask a couple from India doing menial labour of the wonderful attention they received in a local hospital in Tel Aviv.
    And the couple of thousand refugees from Darfur who made it across Sinai and thwarted the Egyptian guns to be given the opportunity to even set up shop and start a life.

  19. Cynic says:

    Here’s a piece by Melanie Phillips from across the pond describing Albion’s version of the untrustworthy Jew
    Miles of prejudice

    The notion that Jews cannot be trusted to be impartial because they only act in the interests of other Jews and to the detriment of everyone else is a staple of anti-Jewish bigotry down through the ages.

    Oh “that 1930s dual loyalty” sung to the tune of “that old black magic”.

  20. E.G. says:

    Lianne,

    This is one of the most heartbreaking “songs” ever written in Israel. Yes, Jerusalem of Gold had not easily been lost, nor was it easily regained. I recall the 1967 euphoria, and the original version of this ballad too.

  21. Eliyahu says:

    Dear, Good Ole Scotty,
    Most countries in the world are defined as national states or ethnic states, even if there is a national minority present. Take the Arab League member states that are all defined ethnically as Arab although most of these states are on territory that was non-Arab and non-Muslim 1400 years ago. Several of these states have non-Arab minorities that have their own languages and/or their own national histories. Consider Egypt [Copts], Syria and Lebanon [Aramaic speaking Christians, at least up to 1900; Armenians], Iraq [Assyrians-Chaldeans, Kurds, Mandaeans, many Jews up to 1951], Algeria and Morocco [Berbers].

    Note, Dear Scotty, that the Berber tongue –called Amazight– has been suppressed in those two countries, although this suppression has somewhat softened after uprisings and riots in favor of Amazight. Iran too has national and religious minorities, not well treated. But you are worried about Israel. By the way, George Bush II and Obama’s great friend of America, Pakistan, defines itself as a Muslim state. Hindus and Christians are persecuted. Jews have been traditionally oppressed and humiliated in Arab-Muslim lands for 1400 years.

    The Sudan has massacred several million tribal, non-Muslim Black Africans since independence in 1956. Can we call that genocide? Or if not genocide, then what? But, Dear Scotty, you prefer to find fault with Israel. Enjoy your turkey.

  22. E.G. says:

    Scott,

    You still don’t get it.

    Should be “a religiously defined state”

    The Jewish state is not religiously defined. The attachment to the land has both religious and national components. It’s a people’s, a nation’s land and state.

    The Jewish people, albeit much older, and the Jewish Israelis, have some common features with the American one, such as diversity and slavery. Except that on slavery, it’s the Afro-Americans who share the Jewish experience – and the US Jews were (and still are) most active in initiating and enacting the equal-rights process.

    Jewish loyalty is and has always been one, and unique: to justice.

  23. Scott says:

    E.G.,

    What attachment to the land do the Palestinians have?

  24. Cynic says:

    Scott,

    Before you ask that question please read up on the Ottoman Empire and the mandate for Palestine that the League of Nations put in the hands of the British to administer after the First World War.
    Also an easy read is Mark Twain’s experience in the holy land with regard to the attachment to land by its absentee landlords.
    Read how Jewish agricultural techniques for producing food out of sand and stone attracted the poor of Egypt and the newly created Syria.
    Read about all the new Arab states Britain and France created out of the defunct Ottoman Empire and then read about Egyptian and Jordanian control and treatment of those Arabs in the so called “occupied” territories until 1967 after which they suddenly became denoted as Palestinians. Palestinians until 1948 were the Jews.

  25. RedPencil says:

    What attachment to the land do the Palestinians have?

    From a logical perspective, the exact same attachment as had the ethnic Germans whose ancestors lived in Gdansk until after World War II, at which point they were forced to move.

    These Germans now count themselves citizens of countries other than Poland. And they are permitted to do so by their host countries. And no matter the injustice done to their ancestors, the descendants of the Danzig Germans would probably be laughed at if they spent much time obsessing over their grandparents’ flat in Gdansk.

  26. PW Virginia USA says:

    Scott…check out the census for 1900-1930 you will find that the population growth of Arabs came from outside the Palestine Mandate…The UN called a person a Palestinian Arab with less than 2 years residency. Also Innocents Abroad describe the size of the populations in the 1860′s…

  27. Scott says:

    Red Pencil,
    I didn’t know that the UN had signed up for treating the native inhabitants of Palestine the same way Germans were treated after the biggest war in world history.
    And Eliyahu, Israel compares favorably with the Sudan, and Pakistan. Oh my. Herzl would be so proud!

  28. Scott says:

    And Cynic,
    Everyone knows that the Europeans were technologically more advanced than most others in the late 19th century. And that there were substantive differences within European groups–the English would say the same things about the Irish you say about Palestinian Arabs. But occupations on that basis tend not to last, knowledge suffuses outward, technological advantanges tend to diminish. In any case, colonialism on the basis of settler technological superiority hasn’t seemed to endure very well. Maybe Israel will be different. Or maybe Israel will make deal allowing a modicum of justice for both sides.

  29. Margie says:

    Well done Scott. Very fashionable attitude to a currently unfashionable country. It must be comforting to know that you are safe in that you advance opinions agreed by the cognoscenti.

  30. PW Virginia USA says:

    Redpencil…hate to brake the news but the Arabs are not native to Israel/palestine…they mostly came after 1900 looking for jobs …first from Jewish agriculture and latter from the British…no one is comparing Israel to Sudan etc. nut pointing out your obvious prejudice against Israel…Why don’t you compare Gandi Ji to Stalin and say the same thing…see mine and other previous posts to understand the population of the area.

  31. PW Virginia USA says:

    Sorry Redpencil I meant Scott, apologies

  32. E.G. says:

    Scott,

    What attachment to the land do the Palestinians have?

    What land?
    Who do you refer to as Palestinians?

  33. E.G. says:

    A prominent (sort of) Israeli Arab:

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1131204.html

    But now another, “Aristocratic” figure – Sari Nusseibeh – seems to be in quite some trouble for his “moderate” views (including a book chapter confirming the Jewish attachment to Temple Mount).
    I have no time now to translate this Hebrew piece:

    http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/971/818.html

  34. Joanne says:

    Non-Hebrew speakers:

    Regarding the link to that Hebrew piece provided above by E.G.:

    I just copied the page and pasted it onto a Word file, got rid of the photos, and then pasted the text onto a Hebrew-to-English online translation site.

    The translation is computer-generated, so it’s crude, but you’ll get the general idea.

  35. Cynic says:

    E.G.,

    It doesn’t help if what’s written in English has not been read.
    Anyway it was written in Hebrew by the Jews so doesn’t count.
    And of course if the name is not a Jewish one then the flesh is in mufti.

    Of course:

    And Eliyahu, Israel compares favorably with the Sudan, and Pakistan. Oh my. Herzl would be so proud!

    A sort of ad hominem attack, or is it pure sarcasm?

    Scott,
    If you had boned up on the facts you would know that Israel was not defined as a religious State. At the start the religious were against it, and some still are and that’s why they are in Williamsburg, as their Messiah has not come. That’s why they clash with the secular civil administration etc.

    the English would say the same things about the Irish you say about Palestinian Arabs.

    You should only read up on what the English said about the Arabs.
    But for that you’d have to look at the archives; not something you’d find in your media – gosh they even cover up about the gorbal warmening scam.
    What people today say about the Palestinian Arabs is based on what the PA does and says.
    Of course you ignore their acts.

  36. Cynic says:

    Joanne,

    Beware of those translators.
    There was an amusing commotion not so long ago when some Israeli journalists wanted to interview the Dutch Ambassador.
    The Embassy insisted that any questions be submitted in English (Why, who knows, as they must have personnel fluent in Hebrew who can translate to Dutch).
    So the journalists used Babelfish to do the translation (Why, who knows, cause there are sufficiently fluent English speakers in their midst).
    Oh what a mess when the Hebrew word for mother/אם was confused with that for if/אם.
    What did the ambassador’s mother have to do with it?

  37. Daniel Bielak says:

    Cynic,

    I apologize because in my earlier comment I wasn’t referring to you, nor addressing you specifically, in my lament, nor in my admonishing instruction, but, I think, didn’t communicate that. It’s just that when I read your very mild exasperated sarcasm it caused me to write my lamentation and admonishing instruction, because it caused me to think about the ubiquitous, much more unbeneficial, communication, (appeasingly confessional, incomplete, frazzled, emotionally overwhelmed, mind-gone-blank communication which is not honest, accurate, and clear) that very many of the Jewish people who are aware of the situation that Israel, Jewish people, and the whole world, are in, (including myself) engage in when trying to communicate about the situation.

    Thank you for your responding comment to me.

    It is a comfort to me that you understand the situation that Jewish people are in, and it is a comfort to me that you can, and that you do, communicate honestly, accurately, and clearly, about the situation that Jewish people are in.

  38. Daniel Bielak says:

    The following are links to some information which is necessary to know and understanding in order to understand the situation that Israel, Jewish people, and the whole world, is in.

    “Hitler’s Legacy: Islamic antisemitism and the impact of the Muslim Brotherhood”, by Dr. Mathias Kuentzel
    http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/hitlers-legacy-islamic-antisemitism-and-the-impact-of-the-muslim-brotherhood

    “Western Culture, The Holocaust, and the Persistence of Antisemitism” by Dr. Catherine Chatterley
    http://www.yale.edu/yiisa/chatterleypaper3509.pdf

    “Worth a Thousand Words: Picturing the Antisemitic Imagination”, by Dr. Catherine Chatterley
    (further down from the top of the page on: http://web.mac.com/catherinechatterley/Catherine_Chatterley/Publications.html)

    “The Psychology of Populations under Chronic Siege”, by Dr. Kenneth Levin
    http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-046-levin.htm

  39. Daniel Bielak says:

    My political views are a balance between Social Liberalism (modern Liberalism) and Classical Liberalism (in my understanding, Classical Liberalism has aspects which are similar to aspects of ideal, so-called “non-ideological”, modern Conservatism).

    My ethnic background is Jewish (Jewish-Ukrainian-Polish).

    The existential view that I hold, and the existential practice that I strive to follow, is Theravada Buddhism.

    I was born in Mexico.

    I am a citizen of the United States.

    “What we learned is that there is no Left and Right. There are the decent people, and there is the mob.”
    -a quote I heard attributed to a Jewish witness of the 1920′s, the 1930′s, and the Holocaust.

  40. Daniel Bielak says:

    Correction:
    “…The following are links to some information which is necessary to know and understanding in order to understand the situation that Israel, Jewish people, and the whole world, is in…”

    …The following are links to some information which is necessary to know and understanding in order to understand the situation that Israel, Jewish people, and the whole world, are in…

  41. Daniel Bielak says:

    A correction again (oops):

    “…The following are links to some information which is necessary to know and understanding in order to understand the situation that Israel, Jewish people, and the whole world, are in…”

    …The following are links to some information which is necessary to know and understand in order to understand the situation that Israel, Jewish people, and the whole world, are in…

  42. Daniel Bielak says:

    This comment is a correction to something which I wrongly communicated in my earlier comment, and this comment also contains links to information about the danger of nuclear genocide that is being posed to Israel, and the danger of nuclear war and nuclear holocaust that is being posed to the whole world, by the Islamic-Supremacist regime of Iran, and by the apathy, inaction, and actions, of the government of Germany, and of the govenments of other European, and other Western, countries.

    In my earlier comment I wrote the following quote.

    “What we learned is that there is no Left and Right. There are the decent people, and there is the mob.”

    I described it as being a quote that I heard attributed to a Jewish witness of the 1920′s and 1930′s and the holocaust, but I am now mindful of the fact that I think that, either, it is a quote that I heard, or it is my paraphrasing of a quote that I heard, and I am now mindful of the fact that I think that the speaker that I heard who quoted the quote refered to the witness as having been someone who had witnessed the Holocaust, and I am now mindful of the fact that I think that the witness was Jewish, but I am now mindful of the fact that I do not think that the speaker mentioned that the person had witnessed the 1920′s or 1930′s, and I am mindful of the fact that, I, in fact, do not know whether or not the person was a witness of the 1920′s or 1930′s, and I am mindful of the fact that I communicated wrongly, and I apologize for having communicated wrongly.

    I think that I heard, in a sound recording, that quote, or, if that quote is my paraphrasing of a quote that I heard, quoted by a speaker who was speaking at a conference which took place in Germany in 2008 which hosted Jewish and non-Jewish, German and other European, Israeli, Iranian, and American experts (many, or most, or all, of whom are members of the decent branch of the political Left) who spoke about the danger of nuclear genocide that is being posed to Israel, and about the danger of nuclear war and nuclear holocaust that is being posed to the whole world, by the Islamic-Supremacist regime of Iran, and by the apathy, inaction, and actions, of the government of Germany, and of the govenments of other European, and other Western, countries.

    The following is a link to sound recordings of talks that were given at that conference; The organization, Mideast Freedom Forum Berlin, which hosted the conference, and to whose web site the link is, hosted another conference, entitled “Time to act – International Iran Conference Berlin”, on the same subject, yesterday and today, or, depending on time zones, yesterday and the day before yesterday (on Nov. 28 and 29).

    “Business as usual? – The Iranian regime, the holy war against Israel and the West and the German reaction”, Mideast Freedom Forum Berlin
    http://www.mideastfreedomforum.org/node/66

    The following is a link to an interview with Matthias Kuentzel about the current political Left

    “Islamism, Antisemitism, and the political left”, an interview of Matthias Kuentzel in Democratiya magazine
    http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/islamism-antisemitism-and-the-political-left

    The following are links to more information about the current danger of the Iranian regime’s nuclear weapons program.

    “Russia vows quick completion of Iran’s Bushehr atomic reactor”, news report, today (Nov. 30)
    http://tinyurl.com/yf2dzvc

    “Ahmadinejad’s ‘excellent’ speech at the UN”, an article by an Iranian living in Germany
    http://tinyurl.com/ya5pz8p

    “What Iranian Leaders Really Say About Doing Away with Israel”, a systematic report
    http://www.jcpa.org/text/ahmadinejad2-words.pdf

    “Antisemitism, Messianism and the Cult of Sacrifice: The Iranian Holy War”, by Matthias Kuentzel
    http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/antisemitism-messianism-and-the-cult-of-sacrifice-the-iranian-holy-war

    “Obama’s Search for Peace in Our Time – The West goes wobbly on Iran”, By Matthias Küntzel (Nov. 29)
    http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/obamas-search-for-peace-in-our-time

    “Stop the Bomb – Coalition against the Iranian extermination program”, branch Austria
    http://at.stopthebomb.net/en/

    “Stop the Bomb – Coalition against the Iranian extermination program”, branch Germany (Site was down the most recent time that I tried to access it)
    http://de.stopthebomb.net/

  43. Daniel BIelak says:

    Correction:


    .
    .
    .
    ‘What we learned is that there is no Left and Right. There are the decent people, and there is the mob.’
    -a quote I heard attributed to a Jewish witness of the 1920’s, the 1930’s, and the Holocaust

    I think that that which I described as being a quote that I heard may, in fact, be my paraphrasing of a quote that I heard.

    Also, the quote that I heard was, I think, attributed to someone who was Jewish who was a witness of the Holocaust, but the person to whom the quote was attributed was not, I think, referred to, by the person who quoted the quote, as having witnessed the 1920′s and 1930′s, and I, in fact, do not know whether or not the person to whom the quote was attributed also witnessed the 1920′s and 1930′s.

    I apologize for communicating wrongly.

    I think that I may have heard the quote from a sound recording of a speaker at the conference to which the following link is to a page with links to sound recordings of.

    “Business as usual? – The Iranian regime, the holy war against Israel and the West and the German reaction” – Mideast Freedom Forum Berlin
    http://www.mideastfreedomforum.org/de/node/66

  44. Daniel Bielak says:

    Correction:

    “…I appologize for wrongly communicating…”

    I apologize for communicating wrongly; (I apologize that I originally wrote an inaccurate description of the person to whom was attributed that which I remember hearing, and which I originally described as being a quote that I heard, but which, I think, is my paraphrasing of a quote that I heard, and I apologize that when I first wrote that which I originally described as being a quote that I heard, but which, I think, is my paraphrasing of a quote that I heard, I inaccurately described it as being a quote that I heard, and that I did not describe it accurately as being what I thought was probably my paraphrasing of a quote that I heard.)

    Sincerely,
    Daniel Bielak

  45. Joanne says:

    Yeah, Cynic, Babelfish has to be used with caution. Any of those computer translators should be.

  46. Goji says:

    What is amusing in some way is to witness the degrees to which those who have always had negative things to say about Jews and money, scrimmage for the handouts of tyrants as they sell their birthright for a mess of pottage.
    And those who scream “dual loyalty” at Jews, then use the services of a Jew to pull the chestnuts out of the fire as was alleged about J F-the-Js Baker getting his client’s “investment” out from Saddam Hussein’s Iraq at the time, contrary to the laws of the USA.
    Yes, hypocrisy reigns supreme and will override the sagacity of being energy independent.

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