From Holocaust Denial to Embracing the Holocaust

For those who bother to hold the Arabs and Muslims to basic standards of consistent reasoning, it’s something of a standing joke how they at once deny the Holocaust and then accuse Israel of acting like Hitler did (not). What lies behind such rhetoric is the demopath’s logic: you want to commit another genocide against the Jews, but the (Western) people you want to gull into letting you, into siding with you, could not possibly support you openly.

So you first deny that the Holocaust happened (take away from the Jews the protection that guilt over the Holocaust has gotten them), and then you demonize the Jews for engaging in Nazi-like behavior, in order to make them worthy of being wiped out.

But these days, it’s so easy to gull the dupes, that demopaths no longer even bother to hide their agendas. They can count on Westerners to ignore the evidence. It’s been like that ever since William Orme dropped the genocidal incitement from his article on incitement as an element in the intifada back in 2000.

Now view this talk given by Yigal Carmon of MEMRI, delivered at the UN. (Was anyone listening?)

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  2. Daniel Bielak says:

    Duh. For years. Duh.

    During a time of global genocidal anti-Jewish bigotry and hatred, fueled by, pumped out by, the members of the profoundly and deeply hateful racist anti-Jewish elite community of Western societies, the most that Jewish people as a whole can muster is that slightly aware Jewish academics can hold milquetoast, verbose, conferences about “antisemitism”, in which just small parts of just the most obvious and simplest of concepts and realities are discussed and bandied about without just a small amount of understanding.

    Wake the hell up.

    In sorrowful lamenting incredulous tones it’s said “How could the holocaust have happened?”

    Just look around. It’s happening again. More precisely, Jewish people, in general, as a whole, are allowing it to happen again, and in some cases, are themselves perpetrating it against their own people.

    Timidity is not virtuous. Social imperception is not virtuous. Tolerance of lies that vilify one’s own people is not virtuous. Sanctimonious egocentric craven perpetration of perverse obscene attacks against one’s own people is not virtuous. Stupidity is not virtuous.

    This people, the Jewish people, that I have been born a member of is beyond belief.

    O Extreme empathy
    O Extreme egocentricity
    O Severe impairment of ability of social perception
    O Extreme timidity

    Fatal.

    Wake up, or be hated and falsely-accused and mass-murdered and blamed.

    • Correction:

      I wrote,

      “…in which just small parts of just the most obvious and simplest of concepts and realities are discussed and bandied about without just a small amount of understanding…”

      which should be,

      “…in which just small parts of just the most obvious and simplest of concepts and realities are discussed and bandied about with just a small amount of understanding…”

  3. I apologize for my harshness and anger, but I’m totally powerless and I can’t do anything and I see the whole world going to hell and I try as hard as I can to communicate what’s going on but I have very little effect and I am extremely distressed, and extremely frustrated, and enraged.

  4. Yigal Carmon, who, like almost all Jewish advocates of the Jewish people, is barely articulate, and is blathering and detrimentally verbose and utterly ineffectual, even begins his presentation by falsely confessing – by saying that “the ‘Arab-Israeli conflict’ accelerated” the genocidal anti-Jewish racist hate-inciting propaganda propagated by the members of the elite classes of Muslim Arab societies – by doing so Yigal Carmon implied that Jewish people – the Jewish people – Israeli Jewish people – the people of the country of the Jewihs poeple, Israel – are, at least partially, to blame for the Arab racist genocidal anti-Jewish hate-inciting propaganda. The so-called ‘Arab-Israeli conflict’ – which is, in fact, a racist intendedly genocidal campaign by Arab people – and their Western sympathizers and supporters – to annihilate the country of the Jewish people – did not and does not ‘accelerate’ the Arab genocidal anti-Jewish racist hate-inciting propaganda. The ‘Arab-Israeli’ conflict was, and is, caused by Arab genocidal anti-Jewish racist hate-inciting propaganda , and is a part of a racist genocidal campaign to annihilate the country of the Jewish poeple.

    Jewish people, in general, have to become mindful and descerning. and have to become aware of how the world works, and have to be mindful of how to communicate well in order to protect themselves, and have to communicate honestly, accurately, clearly, and effectively, and by doing so will protect themselves.

    • Correction:

      I wrote,

      “…descerning…”

      which should be,

      “…discerning…”

    • Correction:

      I wrote,

      “…who, like almost all Jewish advocates of the Jewish people…”

      which should be (and what I meant to write, and what I should have written, is),

      “…who, like almost all Jewish defenders of the Jewish people…”

    • Laura says:

      I think you are completely wrong. Yigal Carmon speaks English with an accent but is perfectly comprehensible and more than articulate enough. I don’t know where you get off saying that he said that Jews/Israelis are partly to blame for antisemitism – he was preempting the usual excuse proffered by the likes of the UN, the EU and all the rest of the Jew-haters’ apologists.

  5. “..but I have very little effect and I am extremely distressed…”

    And, because many of my actions are unwholesome and harmful, because my state of mind is unwholesome, much of the effect that I do have is harmful. It is very hard for me. My people – who are very good people who are wrongly perceived, and hated, and falsely accused, and murdered, and blamed – will not protect themselves – and therein, my people will not protect me. It is demoralizing and alientating and horrifying and enraging.

  6. “…will not protect themselves – and therein, my people will not protect me..”

    But I hope that they will protect themselves – and thereby make me feel better, and thereby protect me – and also thereby make the world better.

  7. Just a very tiny taste of what the Jewish people are up against, and what Jewish people, most importantly the leaders of the country of the Jewish people, need to realize what the Jewish people are up against – what is up against the Jewish people – and what Jewish people need to overcome – by honestly, accurately, clearly, and effectively communication the factual currently 90-year history of, and the current reality of, the situation that the country of the Jewish people, Israel, is in.

    BBC Taking Advertising from ‘Intifada Fund’ Islamic Bank”
    http://undhimmi.com/2010/10/20/bbc-taking-advertising-from-intifada-fund-islamic-bank/

  8. Correction:

    “…by honestly, accurately, clearly, and effectively communication…”

    should be

    “…by honestly, accurately, clearly, and effectively communicating…”

  9. A concise comprehensive – thought not completely comprehensive (as it does not cover what is now the anti-Jewish anti-Israeli movement in Western societies, especially on campuses and in the younger generations – and as it does not cover the Western NGO, Western governmental, and OIC-controlled Western-colluding United Nations war against Israel) summary of the situation

    The Path To The Final Solution
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDVaJXmCIjk

    Wake up.

  10. Oriana Fallaci accurately and clearly articulates the nature of European society.

    ORIANA FALLACI – ON ANTISEMITISM-I find it shameful\SULL’ANTISEMITISMO-Io trovo vergognoso (pt.1/2)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS9Dl5YEy3o

    ORIANA FALLACI – ON ANTISEMITISM-I find it shameful\SULL’ANTISEMITISMO-Io trovo vergognoso (pt.2/2)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anTPuAQ1oUU

    Jewish people, if you don’t protect yourselves, no one will. Protect yourselves by telling the truth. Honestly, accurately, clearly, effectively communicate the factual history and current reality of the currently 90 year-old, continuous, currently continuing, racist, intendedly genocidal, military, terroristic, diplomatic, propagandic, Islamic-Supremacist, and colluding, self-destroying Western, war against the country of the Jewish people, Israel.

  11. “The Untold Story of Israel’s Victims of Terrorism”, interview of Giulio Meotti, an Italian journalist and author, with Jamie Glazov of FrontPage Magazine
    http://frontpagemag.com/2010/10/20/the-untold-story-of-israels-victims-of-terrorism/

    Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Giulio Meotti, an Italian journalist and author. His columns have appeared in the Wall Street Journal and Commentary. He graduated with a degree in philosophy at the University of Florence. He is the author of the new book, A New Shoah: The Untold Story of Israel’s Victims of Terrorism.

    FP: Giulio Meotti, welcome to Frontpage Interview. Let’s begin with what inspired you to write A New Shoah.

    Meotti: Thanks Jamie for your special hospitality.

    As a non-Jew, I feel the cause of Israel as inseparable from the fate of the Western civilization. Israel is in the Middle East, but its existence is not just in the Middle East per se. In that tiny land currently live the sons and daughters of the European civilization that was brutally annihilated during the Holocaust. Israel is on the border, we are behind the front lines, but we are in the same fatal conditions. We, Europeans and Americans, should feel the Israelis as our brothers.

    The current Jihadi terror flare up in the world after 9/11 is, on several realms, grounded on anti-Semitism – which is the real cause of the Middle East conflict. Anti-Semitism not only explains the war on Israel but also on the invisibility of Jewish victims in the media. I decided to start the book in 2003. I was in Israel for a tv documentary about the Second Intifada. There was a terror attack in Haifa, in a restaurant that Yigal Allon, an Israeli general and politician, called a symbol of Arab-Jewish coexistence. A Palestinian woman blew herself up and twenty people were killed after their last meal. A broken stroller, of a baby who had just been just killed, gave me the physical dimension of Israel’s battle for survival. Hundreds and hundreds of people killed in Haifa, Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Netanya, Hadera and Sderot didn’t find a voice in the global media. So I started a research project that had cost me six years, working on families and survivors of terrorism.

    The goal of the book is to epitomize the mere statistics of Israeli victims of terror with stories, ideals and faces. I consider this book like an incarnation of the disaster and of Israel’s humanity and heroism.

    FP: Can you kindly explain the meaning of “Shoah” for those readers who might not know what it means?

    Meotti: Shoah is a Hebrew word that means calamity, catastrophe, massive destruction. It’s a mysterious and marvelous word currently synonymous with the Holocaust of 6 million Jews killed by the Nazis. The suppression of the Jewish victim’s identity, of his name, of his face, the abolition of his humanity, were the motors of the Holocaust sixty years ago.

    Likewise, in today’s Europe, the venom of anti-Semitism and the hatred of Israel are accepted and propagated generously, paving the way for a second Shoah. Europe negates the history of Israel, its right of existence recognized by the United Nations, and the dignity of Israeli victims. Exactly ten years ago, Palestinian terrorist groups launched the Second Intifada, resulting in this Israeli “Ground Zero” with 1,500 civilian victims. Israel is a very tiny country, and this number would be proportionally equivalent to about 54,000 terror victims in the United States: 20 times the 11/9. The hundreds of attacks in Israel, day after day, amount to a sort of “new Shoah,” a mini Holocaust.

    In the book, I move from the extermination camps that covered Europe to the massacres of innocents in Israel in a continual recount of family stories. I also decided to adopt the word Shoah because today in the Western democracies the Holocaust’s memory is a special weapon in the hands of Israel’s haters. Just a couple of examples: In Holland the president of the parliament and leader of the Socialist Party, Jan Marijnessen, compared Islamic terrorism in the Middle East to the European resistance against the Nazis. Shallow declarations about the evils of the Holocaust have become a tool against what anti-Semites paint as our modern fascists, the Israelis. Trine Lilleng, a Norwegian diplomat spelled it out more directly: “The grandchildren of Holocaust survivors from World War II are doing to the Palestinians exactly what was done to them by Nazi Germany.” In the last fifteen years, hundreds and hundreds of Jews were killed because they were Jews, while the guardians of memory were busy in non-useful phony ceremonies. In Europe, they betrayed the memory of the Shoah.

    FP: Expand a bit on why the story you are telling has been untold.

    Meotti: This amount of Israeli suffering and pain was systematically neglected by the global public opinion. These stories of Israeli victims of terrorism had to be forgotten in order to promote the image of Israel as a colonialist, fascist, violent and arrogant state. These terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians should have been condemned by the United Nations as “crimes against humanity,” but they were always blamed on Israel’s very existence. Europe denied these victims’ existence because the Old Continent can’t pardon the Jews for the Holocaust. It’s a very deep way of “digesting” the Holocaust: we remember the Holocaust’s Jews so we can delegitimize the Israelis who are fighting for their own lives. Europe has a sense of guilt vis-à-vis the Jews because of the Holocaust. So by finding reasons to blame Israel, it believes it can assuage its guilt.

    For ten years, Israel has been seeing rockets hitting its civilian population and nobody in Europe has said a word. The hatred toward Israel has emanated from the walls of the human rights conference halls. The Western universities have become fertile grounds for the cultivation of the genocidal reading proposed by Ahmadinejad. The Western media suppressed or minimized the suffering of the Israeli population under terrorism. The narrative has made Israel an international criminal, has attributed to the Jewish State all the characteristics that make it deserve the death penalty, from racism to apartheid. The journalists made themselves potential accomplices to genocide. They deny Israel’s victims dignity to delegitimize the Jewish historic right to Israel. The Jewish people were born there, lived there for centuries; it is there that they founded monotheism, a moral law that has generated democracy and prosperity. But for the Arabs, and not only for the Palestinians, for the Western appeasers, the Jewish presence in the area is deemed illegal and evil, forever. The world should be ashamed when it left the Israelis alone, during the Second Intifada, to be killed in cafes, buses, supermarkets and restaurants. The suicide bombers were always praised by the press as “victims.” This monstrous morality has been now poured all over Europe, where anti-Semitism has grown in all of its cities.

    FP: Bring to life some of the human stories and tragedies told in your book.

    Meotti: I wanted to recreate a chain of thousands of human beings, young and old, children, babies, women and men massacred at random in buses, cafeterias, shops and restaurants by those who believe that to kill is an act of faith. Terrorism destroyed an entire class of people just because of their identity, free Jews living in their land and state, Israeli Arabs in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    The book is built on the testimonies of all kinds of Israeli victims of terrorism: “settlers” slaughtered in what they call “Judea and Samaria,” kibbutznikim killed in their beds, the doctors and psychiatrists, young students massacred in dancing places, Soviet dissidents killed after emigration to Israel, Americans massacred at the Israeli universities, orthodox women assassinated at pilgrim places, adolescents destroyed along with military reservists and Holocaust survivors.

    These victims form the great family of Israel. There is a very important lesson in these stories: despite six decades of war and suffering, the majority of Israelis don’t feed hatred or pessimism. I always met optimism. It’s an amazing phenomenon that deals with the survival of the Jewish nation after 3.000 years of exile, killings, pogroms and Holocaust. It’s a great sign of vitality when Jewish women who lost parents and brothers help Arab women to give birth to their babies. The survivors were always able to rebuild after the attacks, they married again and had more babies.

    Israel’s normality is its main victory. Israelis were able to live and progress at the base of the vulcan. In 1991, when Saddam Hussein rockets felt on the city of Tel Aviv, the Israeli Orchestra auditorium was full of people. The director Zubin Mehta, a non-Jew, was playing Bach when the siren started to sound. Mehta and the great Isaac Stern continued the concert wearing a gas mask. Or like the young people that continue to fall in love under the rockets in Sderot or Kiryat Shmona, two Israeli cities bombed by Hamas and Hezbollah. Iran’s president Ahmadinejad just visited the Lebanese border with Israel.

    An exact copy of the Al Aksa mosque of Jerusalem was built by Hezbollah in front of the Israeli village of Avivim, home to 400 Israelis (half of them, women, children and old people, are evacuated when the fire occurs in the border). There is fresh air and flocks on the green of Avivim, full of cedars and pines. Imagine what it means to be an Israeli in Avivim. Waking up every morning with the apocalypse in your face. But they don’t leave their houses. I am also thinking of the families that created foundations in the name of their murdered relatives. These foundations help Jews and Arabs alike.

    It’s not only a book about mourning, it tells the story of “the land of blood and honey.”

    FP: Your thoughts on those in the West who support the monsters who have caused the pain to the Israeli people that you document in your book?

    Meotti: Today Israel is a pariah state, boycotted and condemned to death. The process of depersonalization and dehumanization of these victims began at the United Nations. In 2004, during the Second Intifada, the United Nations chose to condemn the defense of Israelis civilians as “illegal.” I am referring to the UN’s decision against the security barrier built by Israel to stop the suicide bombings. Ahmadinejad now can announce the end of Israel in an international summit at the UN, and all the West does is shake his hand. And piece by piece, bit by bit, they are destroying the structure of universalism and natural justice that arose after World War II. A great responsibility is also upon the shoulders of the European Union, because its current policy against Israel and because they funded the Palestinian anti-Semitism with textbooks, television programs and cultural activities.

    The journalists and the intellectuals also contributed their own part: they were decisive by formulating the image of the Jewish State as an alien and temporary presence in the Middle East. Look at the Freedom Flotilla recent episode in Gaza: all over the world, journalists immediately spread the idea that Israel wanted to attack and kill a group of “pacifists.” They always invent a cruelty, a racism, a persecution, a desire for conquest and a scorn for peace that never existed.

    Europe is becoming again the realm of Jews hatred. A group of Israeli tennis players was only allowed to play behind closed doors in a Swedish stadium. In Hannover, an Israeli dance group was stoned by demonstrators shouting “Juden Raus.” A major Swedish newspaper wrote that Israeli soldiers kill young Palestinians to harvest their organs. It’s a new blood libel. European supermarkets have more than once decided to boycott Israeli goods. The Israeli movies are ousted from global festivals. Scientific discoveries, technological products are systematically boycotted. Israeli academics are expelled from European universities and conferences. Nobody raises an eyebrow to the fact that the socialist and pacifist Spain bars gay Israelis from participating in a gay pride parade in Madrid, when the Palestinian gays are now hiding in Israel. Also the Christian establishment has its own moral responsibility. Pope John Paul II during his visit to Israel in 2000 met President Bashar Assad in Quneitra on the Syrian border. I can’t forget how Assad told the Pope and the media that the Israelis were doing to the Palestinians what the Jews had done to Jesus in his day. And the Pope was silent.

    FP: Tell us about what Judaism teaches about the importance of “remembering” for survivors.

    Meotti: I see Israel as the most relevant expression of Judaism. Israel is the miracle of a nearly three-thousand-year moral and intellectual capacity for survival amid the greatest tragedies. The sense of prodigy that Israel represents dominates the day of Hanukkah, which recalls the miracle of oil during the battle of the Maccabees; Pesach, with the flight from Egypt, evokes the contemporary feeling of a return to liberty after millenia of slavery in the Diaspora; Yom Kippur is the necessity of expiation before the suffering of humanity and one’s own. These three festivities explain this everlasting human misery that survived to Greek hegemony, to the Pagan Romans, to the Christian conversions, to the slavery under Islam, and later, to Nazi and Communist totalitarianism.

    The secret of Jewish survival lies in its way to memory. We can easily see this phenomenon in Israel. Soldiers who have given their lives for Israel are remembered in ceremonies devoid of nationalist rhetoric and with familial warmth, with exaltations of love and of courage that lack militaristic connotations: no threats to the enemy as in Tehran or Damascus, no ferocious accusations, no racism. Instead, amid pain and tears, girlfriends and brothers remember the trips, sports, the passion for music and art of their lost loved ones, and also their ability to imbue confrontation with civil and moral values. Civil and military values are combined in the national day of remembrance for fallen soldiers, Yom ha-Zikkaron, in which, for twenty-four hours of ceremonies, of special television and radio programs, peace and not war is lauded without intermission. There is also always a pervasive feeling of optimism. Maybe it comes from Judaism’s belief in a happy conclusion to creation, represented by the coming of the Messiah. The Messiah is always around the corner.

    FP: The effect writing the book had on you? It must have taken a lot of emotional and psychological strength, but also taken a toll.

    Meotti: Entering into the world of sorrow of the terrorist’s victims was a very difficult task, generating often depression and intellectual solitude, but during these years of research and discussions with the victim’s families, I was rewarded by the warmth and empathy developed by these contacts. I also realized that, in spite of the gas chambers and terrorism, Israel represents the essence of liberty. In my job I fought against a lot of hostility because Europe is a paranoid place against Israel. But I always knew that I had to pay a price for bringing back the lost voices of thousands of people killed just because they were Jews. I don’t regret anything about this black adventure, because as said to me by a mother of two girls killed one June evening while they were dancing, “you have to bring the truth to the world.”

    FP: What is this conflict about? Is there any sense or meaning that one can make out of all the evil and suffering that we see before our eyes?

    Meotti: The conflict has political, economical, diplomatic, religious, human and ideological causes. The whole world is now a victim of a kind of malaise, hysteria, a collective fantasy that makes Israel, the collective Jew, the purveyor of all ills. We must never forget that Israel is on our side in the battle against terror. Israel stands on the front line of that fight as a bulwark of Judeo-Christian values. The belief that democracies can sacrifice the tiny Israel in order to placate Islamism is profoundly dangerous. Appeasement failed in the 1930s and it will fail today. We all have something to learn from the Israeli mothers who must face the disturbing fact that an eighteen-year-old is on the front lines in conditions of life-threatening danger.

    FP: What do you hope your book will help achieve?

    Meotti: Hostility to the Jews has been a stain on the Western world’s honor for centuries. It’s time to put it to an end. We have a lot to learn from the epic of a people that has suffered all of the worst injustices of the world, and above all is reborn time and again thanks to its moral strength. Many people I think would find my stories of victims of terror very important for their own conscience. All the Jews who care about Israel and want to know the stories forgotten by the mainstream media; All those Christians who love Israel and care about the fate of the Jewish people after the Holocaust. All the “neutral” readers that have never known what is going on in that far away land.

    I hope these stories will open the eyes to the human rights organizations in the global forums: for the first time this book tell the crimes against humanity against the Jewish people. The memories of these victims, living monuments to life and hope, can help to fight impunity and hatred. During the Second Intifada, every day in Israel bus drivers, waiters, store owners, doctors, and students grabbed terrorists with their hands, threw them to the ground, and removed bags with explosives from their backs and saved the passengers of a bus, customers in a supermarket, patrons of a café. Are we today, we Europeans and Americans, just as ready to consider our citizens more important than ourselves or our families? The national rebirth in its original homeland of a people threatened with extinctions for three thousand years, should represent, especially in the eyes of our civilization a promise of redemption for all humanity. That’s the greatest message of the book. Israel is a lighthouse of life, when life is the most endangered value of our times. And therefore, the most envied while it flows in the veins of a people constantly under threat.

    FP: Giulio Meotti, thank you for joining us and thank you for writing this book – one of the most vital books of our time.

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  13. There are many people in Europe who are not ideologically bigoted against Jewish people nor against Israel. The anti-Jewish anti-Israel is from the elites in Europe and in other Western countries. Everybody who values freedom needs to join together.

    Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff is being prosecuted in Austria for merely quoting from the Quran.

    Elisabeth’s Voice: Fighting for Free Speech in Austria
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrxXQxCTY5U

    Support for Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff
    http://savefreespeech.org/
    http://english.savefreespeech.org/

    See my comments and the comments of others on the following video by English YouTube user Martin J Willett.

    “Fundies and Muslims”, by Martin J Willett
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryod1h289-I

    The leaders of the English Defense League – the EDL – a British, grass roots, non-racist, pro-freedom, anti-Sharia group, pro-British, pro-Israeli, pro-American organization – are aware of the situation – the situation that Israel is in, and the situation in England – and the leaders of the EDL are completely supporting Israel. The EDL is of the people, and by the people, and is slandered and vilified by the members of the English media, and may seem rough to people of gentle temperament, but the leaders of the EDL, and the majority of the members of the EDL, are decent and good and they are on the side of good. One can either chose timidity and enslavement and death, or one can choose wise, right, self-confident action and freedom and life. I choose wise, right, self-confident action and freedom and life. Support and enlighten those in England and in all of Europe who are decent and who can be informed of the truth and who will stand with the Jewish people against tyranny. It was a large crowd of workers who were members of the working class in England who fought back and defeated a Fascist mob in England in the era that was soon before World War II. Know who our real friends are. Join with real friends and decent people everywhere. Be discerning and do not join with, and do not promote, and do not contribute to, mob mentality nor to violence. But, do not be timid. Join with those who are decent and who understand and who know the truth – the reality of the situation -or who can be informed of the truth – the reality of the situation. Cultivate good. Cultivate understanding. Join with those who are good. Join with all people who shun and oppose what is evil and who champion, and stand with, what is good. Here in the U.S., I will seek out the candidates who are supported by the tea party movement and I will vote for them.

    Chris Lough Patriot
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNyE7gBldOE

    Surfing rabbi – Nachum Shifren at EDL Demo in London
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rfxAvQ9wkw

    Surfing RAbbi Part 2 EDL London Rally 24th Oct 2010
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knh6McFQiLY

  14. There are many people in Europe who are not ideologically bigoted against Jewish people nor against Israel. The anti-Jewish anti-Israel is from the elites in Europe and in other Western countries. Everybody who values freedom needs to join together.

    Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff is being prosecuted in Austria for merely quoting from the Quran.

    Elisabeth’s Voice: Fighting for Free Speech in Austria
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrxXQxCTY5U

    Support for Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff
    http://savefreespeech.org/
    http://english.savefreespeech.org/

    See my comments and the comments of others on the following video by English YouTube user Martin J Willett.

    “Fundies and Muslims”, by Martin J Willett
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryod1h289-I

  15. The leaders of the English Defense League – the EDL – a British, grass roots, non-racist, pro-freedom, anti-Sharia group, pro-British, pro-Israeli, pro-American organization – are aware of the situation – the situation that Israel is in, and the situation in England – and the leaders of the EDL are completely supporting Israel. The EDL is of the people, and by the people, and is slandered and vilified by the members of the English media, and may seem rough to people of gentle temperament, but the leaders of the EDL, and the majority of the members of the EDL, are decent and good and they are on the side of good. One can either chose timidity and enslavement and death, or one can choose wise, right, self-confident action and freedom and life. I choose wise, right, self-confident action and freedom and life. Support and enlighten those in England and in all of Europe who are decent and who can be informed of the truth and who will stand with the Jewish people against tyranny. It was a large crowd of workers who were members of the working class in England who fought back and defeated a Fascist mob in England in the era that was soon before World War II. Know who our real friends are. Join with real friends and decent people everywhere. Be discerning and do not join with, and do not promote, and do not contribute to, mob mentality nor to violence. But, do not be timid. Join with those who are decent and who understand and who know the truth – the reality of the situation – or who can be informed of the truth – the reality of the situation. Cultivate good. Cultivate understanding. Join with those who are good. Join with all people who shun and oppose what is evil and who champion, and stand with, what is good. Here in the U.S., I will seek out the candidates who are supported by the tea party movement and I will vote for them.

    Chris Lough Patriot
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNyE7gBldOE

    Surfing rabbi – Nachum Shifren at EDL Demo in London
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rfxAvQ9wkw

    Surfing RAbbi Part 2 EDL London Rally 24th Oct 2010
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knh6McFQiLY

  16. It may not be good and right to support the EDL, or it may be good and right to support the EDL, but in any case, I think that it is good to know that there are people in various social classes in England and in the rest of Europe who are not blindly indoctrinated by lies that vilify Israel and that they are aware, to varying degrees, of the situation the they themselves are in, and that they are aware of, to varying degrees, of the situation that Israel is in and that they can be informed of the situation that Israel is in.

  17. The following is a comment that Martin J Willett made about the EDL that I think is true.

    “Of all the tactics to copy why the [f---] are the Dutch copying these violent losers? On paper the EDL are a fine organization of patriots and believers in freedom, but what they demonstrate when they take to the streets is something very different. Nothing positive is achieved by having these demonstrations, it just strengthens the alliance between Muslims and the brain-dead demo-happy left.
    You can’t win on the streets unless you mobilize millions, now you never will get those millions.”

    The following is the video on which Martin J Willett made that comment.

    Dutch TV interviews teh EDL and AFA and mayor of Amsterdam.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCmL9zPicgE

  18. I initially felt and thought that that was the case, about the EDL, but I was desperate, and, therefore, unwise, and I unwisely advocated joining with the EDL anyway.

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