Erdogan is in Europe trying to get the folks there to accept Turkey in the EU. But he’s not going hat in hand. On the contrary, he clearly thinks he’s in the strong position (or he doesn’t care). Apparently, Germany’s idea that Turkish immigrants should become part of German culture is deeply offensive. (HT: David Steinman)
Row over treatment of immigrants reopens Turkey’s rift with Europe
Prime Minister blasts German policy on trip to promote EU bid
By Tony Paterson in Berlin
Monday, 28 February 2011
The Turkish Prime Minister yesterday issued a stinging rebuke to Germany over its treatment of Turkish immigrants.
In remarks that highlight the resentment that has built up over the European Union ‘s continued refusal to allow Turkey to join the club, Recep Tayyip Erdogan lambasted the Berlin government’s attempts to integrate its 3.5 million Turkish immigrants, and said policies that encouraged them to renounce their culture and speak German were a “violation of international law”.
This is, of course, a spill-over of the nonsense that Europe has accepted from the Palestinians about anything Israel does being violations of international law, as if either the Palestinians or the Turks had any notion of what international law was about. Too bad the Europeans were so eager to sell out the Israelis. Now it’s blowback time.
Mr Erdogan – in Berlin on the first stop of a visit designed to strengthen his country’s bid to join the EU – delivered his surprisingly outspoken verdict on Chancellor Angela Merkel’s integration drive hours before he was due to address a large gathering of Turkish immigrants in the western city of Düsseldorf last night.
His comments came after a senior member of Ms Merkel’s government sparked an acrimonious row by demanding the negotiations over EU membership be halted because of Ankara’s failure to permit religious freedom.
Of course for Erodgan, lack of religious freedom is not a violation of international law, especially when it’s a Muslim state that denies others that freedom. This German move is exactly what I (and others) have been advocating for a while now – some reciprocity. Erdogan seems to find the very notion that Turks should show reciprocity deeply offensive.
Mr Erdogan told the Rheinische Post newspaper that Germany’s integration policies failed to consider the needs and expectations of its Turkish communities. Addressing the government’s campaign to encourage more Turks to speak German, he added: “Any policy which seeks to revoke the language and culture of migrants violates international law.”
One has to admire his confidence. Note the language of “needs and expectations.” For those who have not read Bat Ye’or’s (allegedly) conspiratorial book Eurabia, the right to refuse assimilation was one part of the “deal” that Arab diplomats made with the Europeans. That’s why European Muslim immigrants of the last thirty years have reversed a near-universal trend of immigration in the modern world – the second generation is less integrated than their elders.
The Turkish Prime Minister’s comments seemed destined to stir up an already heated integration debate in Germany, which culminated last month with a declaration by Ms Merkel that attempts to build a multicultural society had “utterly failed”. David Cameron came to almost the same conclusion in speech delivered in Germany in early February.
Only a decade or so late. Just hopefully not too late.
Fears that Germany has allowed its Muslim communities to develop “parallel societies” have been stoked by a controversial book entitled Germany is Doing Away with Itself by a former Bundesbank board member Thilo Sarrazin. The book claims that laissez-faire policies have produced an underclass of Muslim underachievers. The book has been widely dismissed as racist, but it has sold more than a million copies since last October.
The dismissal as racist is the standard ploy of the useful infidels on the “left.” For a recent example in the USA, compare the NYT’s treatment of problems with immigrants in Sweden with that of Barry Rubin. For the Grey Lady’s reporter, it’s all about cheap, xenophobic, Islamophobic Swedes who don’t want to share their bounty with their Muslim immigrants. No mention of gang rapes, assaults on Jews and other targeted communities, no-go zones where the cops dare not enter.
Ms Merkel’s coalition of conservative Christian Democrats and liberals has publicly advocated policies encouraging Turkish immigrants to speak German ever since. There have also been widespread calls for a tightening of legislation governing the entry of Turkish immigrants who make up the majority of Muslims in Germany.
In an initial response to the Turkish Prime Minister’s comments, the government’s conservative integration commissioner, Maria Böhmer, said that Mr Erdogan should promote integration rather than criticise it. “It would send a strong signal to our migrants of Turkish origin to tell them to learn German and take advantage of the opportunity to send their children to kindergarten,” she insisted.
Let’s hope this was said ironically (something, I am learning, Germans are not noted for). I hope she doesn’t think this is a persuasive argument.
Mr Erdogan was also unsparing in his criticism of Ms Merkel, who together with the French President, Nicolas Sarkozy, has strongly opposed Turkey’s attempts to gain full EU membership. Both advocate that Ankara should be given “privileged partnership” status instead.
The Turkish Prime Minister accused Ms Merkel of using “stalling tactics” in order to placate German voters who are opposed to Turkey’s membership. “Never before have such hurdles been put before an EU accession country,” he insisted. “The Turkish people expect Germany to take the lead role in the EU’s membership negotiations with Turkey.”
This man clearly thinks he is in the driver’s seat. Hopefully he’s wrong.
Ms Merkel is expected to reiterate the position held by President Sarkozy when she meets Mr Erdogan today. During a visit to Ankara last week, Mr Sarkozy said that he believed Turkey did not belong in Europe and that another form of partnership had to be considered.
Mr Erdogan will tomorrow make his first visit to Brussels since 2009 and is expected to reiterate his calls for full membership. However, the stalemate over Cyprus and scepticism about Turkey’s ability to push through key reforms before key June parliamentary election are likely to mean that they will fall on deaf ears.
An insult to chew over
President Nicolas Sarkozy’s recent visit to meet Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan was supposed to be an opportunity to promote better relations between Ankara and Europe – but instead it has been overshadowed by an escalating political spat over the etiquette of chewing gum.
After Mr Sarkozy was seen chewing gum as he got off his plane in Ankara on Friday, the mayor of the city has revealed that he deliberately decided to chew gum himself when seeing the French president off yesterday, as part of a calculated retaliatory snub.
“He stopped for a moment, looked around and continued to chew. I personally was offended,” Melih Gokcek said. He did not specify whether either politician chewed with his mouth open.
This is a perfect example of the kind of infantile behavior that honor-shame cultures engage in all the time. Again, the aggressive response indicates that the Turks feel they are in the strong position and can finally give the West a piece of their mind.
As part of this aggressive new form of petition to enter the EU, Erdogan openly urged Turks in Germany not to assimilate:
Erdogan Urges Turks Not to Assimilate
‘You Are Part of Germany, But Also Part of Our Great Turkey’
By Özlem Gezer and Anna Reimann in Düsseldorf

Thousands of Turkish immigrants gave Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan a rock star welcome in Germany on Sunday in a show of national pride that remains fervent, even after decades spent in Germany. He told them they remain part of Turkey, and urged them to integrate into German society — but not to assimilate.
The lyric keeps echoing around the hall in Düsseldorf. “The land belongs to us all.” The sentence isn’t referring to Germany, but to Turkey.
Immigrants are waving hundreds of Turkish flags and the chanting and the music are deafening. One woman shouts “Turkey is great!” into a microphone to cheers from the crowd. Everyone in the ISS Dome, a huge sports and concert venue, is fired up, as if they’re waiting for a rock star. There’s only one show in town this Sunday, and his name is Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
The Turkish prime minister has come to Germany. He wants to meet Chancellor Angela Merkel but first he wants to speak to his “compatriots.” To people who have been living in Germany for decades, who were born here, and of whom many have German passports.
They have come from all over Germany to see him live, some 10,000 people. They say things like: “The Germans will never accept us, but we have Erdogan.” Or: “At last someone feels responsible for us, for the first time a Turkish prime minister isn’t forgetting his compatriots abroad.” One woman says: “Erdogan may get Merkel to see us as part of this society. He is our savior.”
You really have to admire the logic here. It has nothing to do with reality; indeed, Erdogan’s behavior will have the exact opposite effect. Is this woman sincere? Or is she sticking it to the Germans? Given how stupidly the Europeans have been behaving for well over a decade, Muslims have every reason to expect them to continue to so behave.
Some 3 million people of Turkish origin live in Germany, most of them descendants of Turks invited by the government in the 1950s and 1960s as ” guest workers” to make up for a shortage of manpower after World War II.
Muslim immigrants have been the focus of a heated public debate in Germany over the last year, with conservative commentators and politicians accusing them of failing to integrate into German society. Many immigrants in turn complain that they are still being called “foreigners” even if they were born in Germany, have German citizenship and speak the language perfectly.
‘I Am Here to Show That You’re Not Alone!’
The savior arrives almost an hour and a half late. “Turkey is proud of you,” the crowd chants in this city in the heart of the Rhineland. “We are proud of you,” Erdogan replies.
He starts out by appealing straight to people’s hearts: “I am here to feel your yearning with you, I am here to enquire about your welfare. I am here to show that you’re not alone!”
Erdogan wants to give his audience a clear identity. “They call you guest workers, foreigners, or German Turks. It doesn’t matter what they all call you: You are my fellow citizens, you are my people, you are my friends, you are my brothers and sisters!”
“You are part of Germany, but you are also part our great Turkey,” says Erdogan.
It sounds like a domestic campaign speech ahead of elections in Turkey this summer. Erdogan is wooing for votes among Germany’s Turkish population. In previous elections, immigrants with Turkish passports flew to Ankara, Istanbul or Antalya just to cast their ballots at the airport.
That is why Erdogan keeps highlighting the successes of his government in his speech, and paints a picture of Turkey as a modern, major power. “We’re not a country that draws on help, we provide help too,” he says. And: “Now my compatriots are no longer traveling in buses, they go by plane.” There are martial-sounding tones too: “Now Turkey will at last start building its own war planes.”
‘No One Has the Right to Deprive us of Our Culture’
Erdogan portrays himself as a supporter of democracy and freedom of opinion. Turkey is changing, he says, adding that all artists and writers who left Turkey and went into exile should return. The message is that the European Union should let Turkey join.
In his (much maligned) book on the Arab Mind, Patai talks about the tendency of Arabs to so love their language that they believe they can create reality just by articulating wishes. Apparently it’s not restricted to Arabs.
In a newspaper interview published ahead of his speech, Erdogan urged Merkel to drop her opposition to Turkey’s accession to the EU. “Never have such political obstacles been put in the path of an accession country,” he said.
Of course, never has a country been less suited, more unlike, the other countries in the EU. If Europe were smart about their future and clear on the threat that Islam constitutes, they’d take Israel into the EU as this radical Italian political party suggests. It would allow them to set the standard for democratic values very high.
Human rights, innovation, progress — the rural way of life that many Turks now living in Germany left behind them in the 1960s, no longer exists, Erdogan told the crowd. “We mustn’t cling to it anymore. I want you to learn German, that your children learn German, they must study, do their masters degrees. I want you to become doctors, professors and politicians in Germany,” says Erdogan.
And then he repeats the sentence that caused such a stir at a speech he held in Cologne three years ago. He warns Turks against assimilating themselves. “Yes, integrate yourselves into German society but don’t assimilate yourselves. No one has the right to deprive us of our culture and our identity.”
In other words, infiltrate.
Erdogan knows that this statement amounts to a provocation in Germany — no politician here is demanding that Turkish immigrants should deny their roots or give up their culture. Erdogan adds: “German newspapers will pick up on this tomorrow, but that’s a mistake.”
His message to devout Muslims is similar. “Islamophobia should be seen in the same way as anti-Semitism,” he says.
And he has brought along a gift for his compatriots — a kind of light-weight dual citizenship. The so-called “Blue Card,” which gives Turks with German citizenship certain rights in Turkey, is to be upgraded. Holders of the card will, in the future, have the same rights as Turkish citizens in dealings with authorities and banks.
For minutes, confetti in the red and white Turkish national colors rains onto the stage. Erdogan’s speech is over.
It was a call for more integration but with strict conditions attached. Adapt yourselves a bit, don’t allow yourselves to be treated badly and if there’s a problem, I’ll come and help! It was a speech that did nothing to reinforce any feeling of belonging to Germany — Erdogan steadfastly appealed to the Turkish national pride of people who have been at home in Germany for four generations.
One woman stood outside the hall with tears streaming down her face. “I don’t need to go on a summer vacation this year. In my heart, I’ve just spent hours in Anatolia.”
The question is, will such behavior at last awaken in the Germans and other Europeans a clear sense of the threat, and a sense of sufficient self-respect that they can say clearly, “no thanks” to the Turkish request for membership (which would, among other things, throw open the gates of immigration to over 75 million Muslims)?
[...] via theaugeanstables.com [...]
Erdogan and his boys show what honor-shame folks do when they feel ……
Here at World Spinner we are debating the same thing……
[...] Erdogan. He runs around the world insulting Turkey’s prospective partners, most recently Germany, but that makes him all the more popular. But there are a number of reasons I wouldn’t touch [...]
The behavior of Erdogan is just what one would expect from him. It is exactly what he should apply to the cadaver of the West. And you know what, I don’t entirely dismiss the possibility that Turkey will be accepted. Don’t even be surprised if Europe will beg Turkey to come in.
I can even foresee the kind of reasoning for it that the West has been regularly employing to self-destruct: let’s let them in in order to moderate them and to westernize them and to incentivize them to be allies.
I thought that Turkey’s entry into the EU was pretty much off the table since Erdogan started cozying up to Iran’s mullahs. The terror-promoting flotilla business didn’t help, I’m sure. And now there’s the kerfuffle about the Qaddaffi Prize that Erdogan won’t return…
From an economic perspective, too, I don’t see the value in bringing another mendicant nation into the Eurozone. If Greece and Spain have been too backward to keep up with responsible EU monetary policy, how will Turkey perform?
If Germany and France (and Britain) oppose Turkey’s accession, how can it possibly happen?
I suggest you consider the various writings on the Europeans’s of ME proxies to eliminate Israel, e.g. the latest Caroline Glick column. So the Marmara is not a minus on Turkey, but a plus.
Regarding the Iranian minus, reread my comment: the west has consistently rationalized appeasement to islamists as a way to turn them from enemies to allies — a delusion that achieves the exact opposite: it is interpreted as weakness, which it really is in the current circumstances.
Re Qadaffi, the Europeans’ treatment of Qadaffi was not much better than Erdogan’s (read the various pieces on corrupt academics and LSE that accepted his money and put lipstick on the pig). No problem there.
Opposition today, agreement tomorrow. That’s precisely why Erdogan behaves like he does. Speak to their weaknesses, guilt and fears. That’s how appeasement works and Erdogan is an expert at exploiting it.
The more obvious question is why would Erdogan want membership in such a pathetic cadaver? Only somebody who wants to finish it off would.
Diane,
Au contraries, the Flotilla helped a lot.
Indeed, Speak to their weaknesses, guilt and fears.
And to their faux sense of competence in the taming process. Of both their natives (who’re far from enthusiastic) and the new newcomers. Brussels and a too large part of the Intelligentsia have a very peculiar way to deal with threats and blackmail.
[...] Richard at Augean Stables shows how Turkey acts towards the West when they feel they have the upper hand. He also has a nice linkdump from yesterday as well as a thorough fisking of the Kristof piece I looked at on Sunday. [...]
Re Europe and Qhadaffi:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1361625/Libya-crisis-Gaddafis-British-apologists-hand-heads-shame.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
See what I mean? By this criterion France, Italy, the UK and other EU states should be kicked out.
More:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/28/AR2011022805864.html
The Europeans not accepting Turkey because of anti-semitism, Qadaffism and Iranianism? That’s a good one.
Some argue that today’s European Moslems are yesterday’s European Jews: Islamophobia is the new anti-Semitism.
I have no doubt that many europeans think along these lines. But unlike the jews, the muslims in europe are violent, they are already close to critical mass and have their own areas where even the army and police won’t enter.
Remember the demos last year when the police retreated from cursing muslims? Doesn’t sound like their faith will be that of jews. Europhobia is more likely than islamophobia.
http://richardmillett.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/channel-4-is-not-promising-for-british-jews/
See what I mean?
Some equivalences, and not only moral ones, are fact-challenged.
Richard,
My argument as to why Erdogan behaves the way he does is also given by PowerLine in reference to Iranian behavior:
Iran is threatening to boycott the 2012 Olympics in London. Why? Because it claims the logo for the 2012 games is “racist.” Here is the logo; see whether you can figure out what Iran is complaining about.
My interpretation is that this is typical pushing of the envelope by Muslim extremists. The more extreme the instances in which they can browbeat others into modifying their behavior, the better. The current attack on the Olympic logo is reminiscent of the claim that Muslim cashiers can’t scan the bar code on a package of bacon, or a Muslim taxi driver’s refusal to carry passengers who have alcohol in their baggage.
The Muslims have always been using intimidation to get their foot in the door to the desired outcome.
It is something that was very visible for me even in the mundane workplace as they are unable to countenance a discussion which might end, horror of horrors, in admitting the other’s point of view and losing face/honour.
Their psychopathology does not accept deals where the other also comes out with something instead of nothing.
There is a good reason for that: their culture and religion is, otoh, indoctrinating them with superiority and dominance over the infidels, while at the same time it prohibits them from modernization and freedom. Add to this prohibiting women from doing anything but have lots of babies who end up unemployable and without any money for the only 2 ways to have sex, marriage and the brothel — and you got yourself a mass of violence against the infidels whom they envy to the umpteenth power.
Hello Cynic!
Long time no read ;-/
The vocal part of Europe’s Moslems adopted the progressive vocabulary. They’re humiliated rather than shamed and claim equal Human/civic rights rather than honour. The duplicity is clarified when observing both their “inside” (within community) behaviour rules such as women’s rights, and “outside” claims such as prayer time and space at workplace.
Still, people intuit it but can’t really point it out, because the honour/shame code is too remote from the present culture.
Yes, it’s been a long and dry interregnum.
A lack of incitement to respond. :-)
One becomes very lethargic when there is no deed to raise one’s hackles.
[...] Richard Landes [...]
West’s Decline Underway:
Op-ed: Western civilization seems to have lost desire to stand up to external, domestic enemies
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4036418,00.html
The European street may accept the “official story” on IHH’s “heroic” role in the flotilla affair, but I think seasoned Eurocrats, who presumably possess greater subtlety, would be dismayed by a democratic government (Turkey) actively abetting an organization that is closely identified with Islamism and Hamas, given that the flotilla’s express purpose was to stir up an international crisis. Turkey’s behavior in that affair bears comparison with the Lebanese government’s behavior vis-a-vis Hezbollah. At best, weak; at worst, complicit. Either way, I don’t think the EU would approve.
I don’t know how many “seasoned Eurocrats” are there, but to expect anything positive from the EU, which is an abomination and it contributes to western decline not much less than muslim immigration, is a delusion. Read Eurabia.
The Europeans may not like Turkey much, after their releasing the islamists from all responsibility for their actions is nothing but racism — but they are all scared and appeasing, so I would not put it past them to delude themsleves that they will turn Turkey around by accepting it.
Diane,
It’s exactly the opposite. The “European street” (rather, the virtual agora) knows what the IHH is about. Some think it’s heroic, some think it’s terrorist, depending whom they side with (no, not necessarily Israel, just a “not progressive” agenda). It’s the Eurocrats who are in a bubble. And being lobbied too, in an un controlled/accounted for way.
i agree with E.G. here. my sense from Germany and France is that the public is less confused than the elites (who think it’s kind of cool to override common sense and conclude something counter-intuitive. while the media excoriates israel, the public is not fooled as much by this image of the terrible israelis and the innocent muslim jihadis. after all, the commoners have to live with the muslims, the elites are insulated.
Besides, even with the minimal and partial reports about Arab dictators bribing European leaders and Intelligentsia, the “simple citizen” questions more and more those weird “directives” and decisions made on her behalf without bothering to consult.
Democracy anyone?
Democracy in Europe? Had they wanted that EU would have never happened. Even after their leaders lied to them.
Now they would have to do what the arabs are doing to get rid of it and I’ll believe it when I see it.
Even if true, if only the public cared enough to do something about it. They would have to do to their elites what the arabs did to theirs to fix the problems. Do you see it happening? I don’t.
And I do not see that much common sense anyway.
The recent growth and outsize prominence of ‘right wing’ groups in reaction to immigration supports RLs position that ordinary people are neither fooled nor sympathetic to the conceptual elisions of EU elite’s tolerance for Muslim immigration.
People know when their culture is being eroded by an unassimilated Muslim culture that harbors visions of dominance. The more aware and angry the indigenous population grows, the greater the likelihood of more militant responses if the elites and the political culture fail to respond. Right wing militancy would be a disastrous scenario for Europe and is not a desirable outcome. Let’s hope European governments lose their PC perceptions of immigration and start to protect their cultures more assertively.
This is the moment of Truth: Europe is facing a Tsunami of refugees from the “Arab Spring”.
If the only response to islamization is by the fascist right the West won’t save itself either.
Addendum: many Europeans don’t know what or who the IHH is, and couldn’t care less.
Diane,
… would be dismayed by a democratic government (Turkey) actively abetting an organization ….
Turkey hasn’t been governed democratically for some years now. Don’t have the older links offhand but their government has done much to control the media and certain opposition to the government’s agenda.
But surely you read of the latest event from CNN of all media outlets
Turkey arrests 3 opposition journalists
and here’s a series of posts
Turkey Arrests Opposition Journalists Amid Furor
This article is not about Erdogan, and in itself is very interesting, but the excerpts link to this post.
On its own soil too.
And this is not the model many European citizens wish to follow.
And this is not the model many European citizens wish to follow.
Are you sure? Does the article say that?
No, that’s not Ottolenghi but my addition.
And yes, those European citizens who have not been attained by the chants of the chattering classes, and there are quite a few of them, are hardly favorable to such a society.
And dread it may not be possible.
One would think that in the face of this:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/essays/all/6745858/blairs-vision-of-the-middle-east-is-wrong-on-an-epic-and-magnificent-level.thtml
They would have revolted already and big time.